Stupid World

[Ocean1]

Oh btw we went down the big house route a year back and as usual you were wrong

I'm amazed at how deep you actually have your head in the sand , you must be able to SEE china from there..

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No, you actually demonstrated that in hrs worked per square meter of house purchased houses were cheaper then than they were a generation before that.

Your ability to convert that into a version completely at odds with the facts because they don't fit with your desperately fucked up opinions is reason enough to not bother discussion grown up shit with you, it just slides right off.

[bogan]

No, you actually demonstrated that in hrs worked per square meter of house purchased houses were cheaper then than they were a generation before that.

Your ability to convert that into a version completely at odds with the facts because they don't fit with your desperately fucked up opinions is reason enough to not bother discussion grown up shit with you, it just slides right off.

I remember that one, it was the old, "we're better off than we used to be, but we're not as well of as those rich guys" thing again; which to stupid worlders means we are all worse off than we have ever been and the sky is falling at an impossible rate, total collapse must surely happen 2 years ago

[Brian d marge]

No, you actually demonstrated that in hrs worked per square meter of house purchased houses were cheaper then than they were a generation before that.

Your ability to convert that into a version completely at odds with the facts because they don't fit with your desperately fucked up opinions is reason enough to not bother discussion grown up shit with you, it just slides right off.

I know what I said and wrote
As for sliding right off
.it obviously doesn't .. discussion is a noun , try discussing

I know and you know that every time you have been asked to put up
.you fail THATS the real reason

Shall I list them?

Anyway back on subject ... so it's the building costs and compliance costs etc that are the prob and not the cashed up FOBs

Nothing to do with banks and Tv nz brainwashing the stupids then ???




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[bogan]

I know what I said and wrote

Yet you'll never expand upon the meanings, never go into detail, never have a robust discussion around these things; because you would be confronted with the truth, which is harder to let just slide off than just rambling on about other bullshit with your head in the sand.

Example A, we all know that housing has got cheaper for the same quality of houses, house prices have only gone up because people are buying better houses. People are buying better houses, cos why the fuck not? it's a choice, it's not a failure of the free market that we get to choose a quality of product that befits our financial ability.

[Ocean1]

Yet you'll never expand upon the meanings, never go into detail, never have a robust discussion around these things; because you would be confronted with the truth, which is harder to let just slide off than just rambling on about other bullshit with your head in the sand.

Example A, we all know that housing has got cheaper for the same quality of houses, house prices have only gone up because people are buying better houses. People are buying better houses, cos why the fuck not? it's a choice, it's not a failure of the free market that we get to choose a quality of product that befits our financial ability.

It's also not a failure of a free market that produces "affordable" new sections in an area with adequate existing services for $430,000. Plus.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-region-surges

Because that particular market isn't free.

And that's the housing crisis, right there.

[Voltaire]

Yet you'll never expand upon the meanings, never go into detail, never have a robust discussion around these things; because you would be confronted with the truth, which is harder to let just slide off than just rambling on about other bullshit with your head in the sand.

Example A, we all know that housing has got cheaper for the same quality of houses, house prices have only gone up because people are buying better houses. People are buying better houses, cos why the fuck not? it's a choice, it's not a failure of the free market that we get to choose a quality of product that befits our financial ability.

Depends on where you live, this one about 5 minutes walk from me went for $1.1 million last week.
Typically these went for about 200K 20 years ago when I was a A/C guy on a mere 40K or 5 years wages.
Take me a lot longer to buy one now and I'm long off the tools.
http://rwroyaloak.co.nz/auckland-city/onehunga/618051/
Sure its had a make over but...

[bogan]

Depends on where you live, this one about 5 minutes walk from me went for $1.1 million last week.
Typically these went for about 200K 20 years ago when I was a A/C guy on a mere 40K or 5 years wages.
Take me a lot longer to buy one now and I'm long off the tools.
http://rwroyaloak.co.nz/auckland-city/onehunga/618051/
Sure its had a make over but...

Which again comes back to choice, the free market choice to buy in whichever area best meets one's criteria. Which is not to say it's the only factor, in many cases it's a very minor one; but it's still free market choice.

There's also the point about land vs housing prices, with population booming, is it any wonder land prices are going up? and is there any blame that can realistically be placed on TPTB? I mean, you could pin not implementing eugenics or other population control methods on them, but...

[Brian d marge]

Fuck of bogan you dickhead

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[Ocean1]

Depends on where you live, this one about 5 minutes walk from me went for $1.1 million last week.
Typically these went for about 200K 20 years ago when I was a A/C guy on a mere 40K or 5 years wages.
Take me a lot longer to buy one now and I'm long off the tools.
http://rwroyaloak.co.nz/auckland-city/onehunga/618051/
Sure its had a make over but...

Well it's certainly not worth that to me. You can tell, 'cause I didn't buy it.

But, if you were on $40k 20 years ago you were doing quite well. If you were doing that well now wouldn't you be on close to $100k? Still a fucking big wad of cash.

I'm not arguing that house prices are OK, they have increased more than inflation, but a lot of that has to do with size and quality. I can and do argue that even though new houses are bigger and better than they've ever been, modern materials and designs should have seen costs drop. And that's in spite of fucking ridiculous property costs and fucking ridiculous safety compliance costs.

[Brian d marge]

Well it's certainly not worth that to me. You can tell, 'cause I didn't buy it.

But, if you were on $40k 20 years ago you were doing quite well. If you were doing that well now wouldn't you be on close to $100k?

I'm not arguing that house prices are OK, they have increased somewhat more than inflation, but a lot of that has to do with size and quality. I can and do argue that even though new houses are bigger and better than they've ever been, modern materials and designs should have seen costs drop. And that's in spite of fucking ridiculous property costs and fucking ridiculous safety compliance costs.

Bullshit and you know it ..ball your Court

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[Ocean1]

Bullshit and you know it ..ball your Court

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Don't you have some little circles to run around in?

[Brian d marge]

No .better here.... calling out your bullshit
One doesn't have to wonder what's next , it the same record
Come on just for shits and giggles ..put some numbers to your claims

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[bogan]

Fuck of bogan you dickhead

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No .better here.... calling out your bullshit
One doesn't have to wonder what's next , it the same record
Come on just for shits and giggles ..put some numbers to your claims

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Interesting, when I call out your bullshit I'm told to fuck off

When Ocean calls out your bullshit, you tell him your're calling him out on his bullshit, without specifying any point in which he is bullshitting (as I did when calling you out) nor even making a rational point yourself (again, as I did when calling you out). 2/10 propaganda effort, must try harder; or just be honest and discuss the point at hand. Either way, lots of room for improvement.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting, when I call out your bullshit I'm told to fuck off

When Ocean calls out your bullshit, you tell him your're calling him out on his bullshit, without specifying any point in which he is bullshitting (as I did when calling you out) nor even making a rational point yourself (again, as I did when calling you out). 2/10 propaganda effort, must try harder; or just be honest and discuss the point at hand. Either way, lots of room for improvement.

Don't come all innocent in the public eye
You got told to fk off twice and for the good reason which you know
I'm quite confident in what I've said and backed up
And when challenged do my best to provide evidence
I'm NOT going to spell everything out to you
IF you have done the research ..legwork which I believe I have ....you don't wouldn't need it spelled out sometimes in big letters and in crayon
As for ocean
We put the month to rest about big houses
We are still waiting for an explanation on entropy ...
And currency creation
Oh and the doozie about the unemployed causing NZ decline ..that was a belter...
And all I've ever said if I say anything that you disagree with .put up or shut up ( not some link that you haven't read ,so that when I come along its friggen obvious ya haven't read it... ocean)

So until then ... follow the advice which I have given you twice now .


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[bogan]

Don't come all innocent in the public eye
You got told to fk off twice and for the good reason which you know
I'm quite confident in what I've said and backed up
And when challenged do my best to provide evidence
I'm NOT going to spell everything out to you
IF you have done the research ..legwork which I believe I have ....you don't wouldn't need it spelled out sometimes in big letters and in crayon
As for ocean
We put the month to rest about big houses
We are still waiting for an explanation on entropy ...
And currency creation
Oh and the doozie about the unemployed causing NZ decline ..that was a belter...
And all I've ever said if I say anything that you disagree with .put up or shut up ( not some link that you haven't read ,so that when I come along its friggen obvious ya haven't read it... ocean)

So until then ... follow the advice which I have given you twice now .


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There it is, the old "if you do enough research you'll agree with me" cop out. It is utterly wrong, and completely transparent. We've done the research, we wish to discuss it with you, because your conclusions are inconsistent with the research, and with the facts. You refuse to discuss it for the same reasons, we know you're full of shit, I've just proven it, again.

And as for the don't come all innocent in the public eye, perhaps you should reflect on the merits of tit-for-tat red repping vs repping based solely on the merits (or distinct lack thereof) of a post; because only the latter is what the system should be used for...