Stupid World

[husaberg]

I thought u would go down that path
No it's not important
In its context, it was a quip which u offered a credible alternative
Which is just as questionable
Linking it to other ideas , and saying that the other ideas are questionable is fine. You should do that
WITH ALL news. Especially from Western media
As for people just believing. I would suggest that someone who proposed a different idea is more questioning that the people who repeat the western media without question
At the end of the day it's a personal responsibility.

sent for a divine source

Its not important in your view maybe . But why? You offered the view I then suggested it was false.
you either accept it is false or you need to provide a rebuttable with evidence that my assertion is false.
I doubt my view is that questionable, its easily fact checked by simply going back to historical documents.
As the source is clearly given and the date is undeniably preceding the CIA formation, by 70 years I would suggest its the conspiracy story is utterly false.
Unless you can provide information to the contrary.

Personally responsible, I would suggest conspiracy theorists are not at all interested in providing evidence or in even examining any evidence that is contrary to their views.
They are quite adamant that their view is correct, in spite of overwhelming evidence and logic, as evidenced by the multiple responses I have seen on KB.

[Brian d marge]

So all immigrants off to ChCh it is then.

Seems odd that back in the day 'they' said if we want to be a first world city we need less sprawl, so they did the cross lease and lots of horrible houses sprung up in back yards.
Then there was a huge wave ( including me) who thought lets go to Aussie, many never came back.
So they upped immigration, now its nearly gridlocked and they are proposing more dense housing ( coups)
I was on crutches for a month recently following an operation and I looked at going to the office which is about 20 mins in the car, involved lots of walking, 2-3 buses and about $18 a day.
Only first world things I can see we have is heavy traffic and high house prices, only way you can get more wages is to change the type of job you do.

Agenda 21 or agenda 2030 what ever they call it now

[Katman]

Its not important in your view maybe . But why? You offered the view I then suggested it was false.
you either accept it is false or you need to provide a rebuttable with evidence that my assertion is false.
I doubt my view is that questionable, its easily fact checked by simply going back to historical documents.
As the source is clearly given and the date is undeniably preceding the CIA formation, by 70 years I would suggest its the conspiracy story is utterly false.
Unless you can provide information to the contrary.

Of course the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory' were around long before the advent of the CIA.

It doesn't change the fact that the CIA coined the phrase in a concerted effort to stop people questioning an official narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...-who-challenge

Do you not remember posting this link in the 'Optimistic sellers' thread?

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...lity-disorder/

[bogan]

Of course the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory' were around long before the advent of the CIA.

It doesn't change the fact that the CIA coined the phrase in a concerted effort to stop people questioning an official narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...-who-challenge

Do you not remember posting this link in the 'Optimistic sellers' thread?

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...lity-disorder/

The term 'conspiracy theory' was used far before the CIA used it to describe conspiracy theories. So no, they didn't coin it. Nor is there any conspiracy theory about them attacking and discrediting conspiracy theorists because of any truth they might out; it's just that the spreading of disinformation by conspiracy theorists should be stopped or at least reduced, just as the spread of any disinformation should be.

[Katman]

The term 'conspiracy theory' was used far before the CIA used it to describe conspiracy theories. So no, they didn't coin it. Nor is there any conspiracy theory about them attacking and discrediting conspiracy theorists because of any truth they might out; it's just that the spreading of disinformation by conspiracy theorists should be stopped or at least reduced, just as the spread of any disinformation should be.

So you think governments should be allowed to get away with anything they like?

[bogan]

So you think governments should be allowed to get away with anything they like?

What part of 'the spread of disinformation should be stopped or at least reduced' are you struggling with? Any reasonable person can see the harm conspiracy theorists can do, flat earthers, holocaust deniers, the perpetuation of bigotry, etc...

[Katman]

What part of 'the spread of disinformation should be stopped or at least reduced' are you struggling with? Any reasonable person can see the harm conspiracy theorists can do, flat earthers, holocaust deniers, the perpetuation of bigotry, etc...

So what about when a government is actually involved in a conspiracy?

Can we talk about it then?

[bogan]

So what about when a government is actually involved in a conspiracy?

Can we talk about it then?

Of course, obviously there is a very simple way to tell the difference; just as it becomes obvious a conspiracy theorist has no concept of what this might be...

[Katman]

Of course, obviously there is a very simple way to tell the difference; just as it becomes obvious a conspiracy theorist has no concept of what this might be...

Please, do tell us more about this "very simple way to tell the difference".

[husaberg]

Of course the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory' were around long before the advent of the CIA.

It doesn't change the fact that the CIA coined the phrase in a concerted effort to stop people questioning an official narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...-who-challenge

No they did not the phrase was used 70 years prior to describe the exact same kind of paranoid delusional behaviour you express so often.
The cia did and could not have created the label.

I am sincerely sorry if that wounds your ego, especially considering you have raised this falsehood so many times previously. I fully accept this will causes you to lash out, as your wounded ago is so in charge of you line of reasoning.
but seriously grow up or seek help.

If you had intelligently read the memo, you would realise its expressing a very common scenario of you to instruct people on how to address people who are prone to spreading disinformation.

but if you were intelligent you would realise I posted your link you provided yesterday as evidence to the falsehoods conspiracy theorist spread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130990028

The theory of Dr. Sankey as to the manner in which these injuries to the chest occurred in asylums deserved our careful attention. It was at least more plausible that [sic] the conspiracy theory of Mr. Charles Reade
The Journal of Mental Science 1870

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticle..._already_wrong

[bogan]

Please, do tell us more about this "very simple way to tell the difference".

Logic, rational thought, and robust discourse.

You guys tend to fail all three with the youtube gish gallops.

[Katman]

Logic, rational thought, and robust discourse.

Let us know when you've got some.

[bogan]

Let us know when you've got some.

I've been applying it. The bit you cut out of your quote for example.

That's another specific way the conspiracy theorists and stuipid worlders fail, ignoring things which does not fit your moronic 'theories' or leaps of 'logic'.

[Woodman]

Let us know when you've got some.

Yes, he would have to point ithem out to you because you would fail to recognise any of them.

[Voltaire]

Conspiracy Theories have been around since at least 1870 according to Professor G. Oogle.

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...ory%22&f=false

Interesting its used with a mental asylum...