The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

You lot choose Helen Clarke for 3 terms... and MMP.

If Helen Clark is as straight a shooter as she likes to impress - she would sort out Israel and the Palestinian crisis - if she was in a position to do it!

If Israel believes she is any threat to their current UN monopoly situation - my bet is she wont go even close for that top UN job! -

[Brian d marge]

If Helen Clark is as straight a shooter as she likes to impress - she would sort out Israel and the Palestinian crisis - if she was in a position to do it!

If Israel believes she is any threat to their current UN monopoly situation - my bet is she wont go even close for that top UN job! -

Absolutely

She knows the game .....

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[Voltaire]

If Helen Clark is as straight a shooter as she likes to impress - she would sort out Israel and the Palestinian crisis - if she was in a position to do it!

If Israel believes she is any threat to their current UN monopoly situation - my bet is she wont go even close for that top UN job! -

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[oldrider]

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Fair enough criticism but lets just use time (as it is all we have) and see just what transpires in world affairs as we live our lives from here on!

There is always history to refer to for the past but what is written is not always the truth there either thankfully we are still free to decide for ourselves.

So for now we continue to agree to disagree!

[Voltaire]

Fair enough criticism but lets just use time (as it is all we have) and see just what transpires in world affairs as we live our lives from here on!

There is always history to refer to for the past but what is written is not always the truth there either thankfully we are still free to decide for ourselves.

So for now we continue to agree to disagree!

You can decide on any version of History you want really, it makes no odds to the outcome.

The 911 debate will go on for years and years like the Kennedy one, the moon landings ( although thats just for the tinfoil hat wearers),

and other clickbait on the net.

You must have seen it all before, Kennedy, Vietnam, Watergate, Springbox tour, Bastion Point...etc.

As for using the time we have left, good point, back to welding up my Kombi doors and rebuilding my R90s fork legs

[oldrider]

You can decide on any version of History you want really, it makes no odds to the outcome.

The 911 debate will go on for years and years like the Kennedy one, the moon landings ( although thats just for the tinfoil hat wearers),

and other clickbait on the net.

You must have seen it all before, Kennedy, Vietnam, Watergate, Springbox tour, Bastion Point...etc.

As for using the time we have left, good point, back to welding up my Kombi doors and rebuilding my R90s fork legs

True!

Must spread etc - best of luck with the latter! -

[husaberg]

If Helen Clark is as straight a shooter as she likes to impress - she would sort out Israel and the Palestinian crisis - if she was in a position to do it!

If Israel believes she is any threat to their current UN monopoly situation - my bet is she wont go even close for that top UN job! -

Gee wow that's surprising, another unsolicited Goebbels like rant from you about the jews.
One that has nothing to do at all with the thread.
Anything to say about China oldie?
Or what about Russia?
Why is it you say nothing about the UN and China's record of human rights abuse?
After all your rants are clearly not about your own obvious racial bias are they?

[Brian d marge]

The Goebbels speeches from the ones ive read seem more concerned about the Bolsheviks and who was funding them ...

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[husaberg]

The Goebbels speeches from the ones ive read seem more concerned about the Bolsheviks and who was funding them ...

sent for a divine source

I think you missed the point Stephen, why is he not so obviously concerned about the lack of UN action over China and Russia.

Also Goebbels was in charge of the propaganda ministry, all German propaganda had his personal touch.

[Brian d marge]

I think you missed the point Stephen, why is he not so obviously concerned about the lack of UN action over China and Russia.

Also Goebbels was in charge of the propaganda ministry, all German propaganda had his personal touch.

The UN , IMHO, is the anglo american drug cartel police force. Russia and china , have something up their sleeve , ( I dont know exactly what , I think Gold ) but they KNOW the balance of power is shifting away from America , ) notice i didnt say england )

Yes I know Goebels , and I can only trusty the english translated version. but sometime he did hit the nail on the head , he ALSO knew who was doing what with whom

[husaberg]

The UN , IMHO, is the anglo american drug cartel police force. Russia and china , have something up their sleeve , ( I dont know exactly what , I think Gold ) but they KNOW the balance of power is shifting away from America , ) notice i didnt say england )

Yes I know Goebels , and I can only trusty the english translated version. but sometime he did hit the nail on the head , he ALSO knew who was doing what with whom

Sorry again you missed it
Why is oldie only worried when its the jews
Why two sets of rules, a racially motivated double standard applied to similar behaviours.
Its a constant pattern that is both apparent and transparent and in oldies posts.
As for the earlier Goebels, people like being feed a story here their is a bogey man.
This simple solution to what is complex issues, appeals to simple people.
For no one likes to admit that a lack of their own success could be down to their own actions and inactions.
Most people find that a too bitter a pill to swallow, yet will readily swallow and then regurgitate any old recycled Nazi claptrap.

[seattle smitty]

FWIW (for instance, if you are one who moves your money around in order to protect it against any fallout from the coming USA election), it is looking increasingly likely that Hillary is going to beat Trump by a goodly margin. Republican candidates around the country are at pains to distance themselves from Trump, hoping that he won't drag them down to defeat. Trump finally endorsed some of the top men in his party the other day, after having condemned them as a bunch of cheats who intended to steal the nomination from him. But as so often is the case, he came across as utterly insincere and opportunistic. Those adjectives also apply to Hillary (and to a somewhat lesser degree to most politicians), but she isn't the full-time windbag, and actually does have a good deal of experience relative to the position they both are applying for. So many who can barely stand to hear the woman talk are trying to look past all the many negatives and pick her as the lesser of two evils.

To hear the right-wingers, of course, Hillary is the mother of all evil. They remind me of all the left-wingers and liberals among university students and liberal arts professors in previous decades. If you were to utter the name "Richard Nixon" aloud in such a group, you could see hackles rise and hear hisses and groans. In either case, Right or Left, their visceral hatred was absurd. Leaving Nixon aside, Hillary is not evil. She is an Establishment Democrat, and therefore beholden to the lawyers, the teachers unions, Wall Street traders and bankers, what's left of Big Labor, the bureaucrats in the federal government (esp. in the State Dept.), Democrats in state government, and the Washington/New York media. What you get with an Establishment Democrat is more-of-same but with a liberal slant (I use "liberal' here with its US political connotations). What you get with an Establishment Republican, say a Mitt Romney or either of the Bushes, is more-of-same but with a conservative slant.

Donald Trump's appeal, like the appeal of Bernie Sanders, is that each pronounced himself to be the enemy of more-of-same. American voters desperately want a bunch of things changed (not merely "shaken up"), and if you paid attention to what Trump and Bernie wanted changed you should have noted a possibly surprising degree of overlap. But neither individual would have been able to deliver. For that matter, Obama, who came across as an independent thinker when he was the outsider who beat out Hillary to be the Democratic candidate in 2008, sounded like he might try to be a significant changer. Alas, not so. So while most of us want a rebel against the Establishment, a Jesus of Nazareth throwing the money-changers out of the temple, we can see that Trump is all attitude and hot air, as likely to make things worse as better. The perception, then, is that at least Hillary is not likely to change anything very much for the worse. (And Jesus was executed by the Establishment for his reforming efforts!).

Both sides will be up and down over the next few months, but I'm betting that even though the Donald has some ideas with a certain amount of merit, voters who want targeted change know we can't get that from a loose cannon, and will hold their noses and elect Hillary.

Very depressing!!

(Ah, no, I won't guarantee investments made on the basis of this prediction.)

[Voltaire]

There are 4 candidates running ( not that you would know)

Perhaps if the US voters really want to protest about the system they could vote for one of the others.

But that's about a likely as Kiwis voting for the Green party to protest about NZ's GOP's that are past their use by date.

America will get the President they want and whatever happens after that.

[oldrider]

The previous two posts pretty much sums it up except that Hillary Clinton probably is evil.

If Donald Trump really did believe what he tried to claim at the beginning of the circus he would get the same result as Jesus Christ only the method would be changed!

[mashman]

The lesser of 2 evils. Trump will do more of the same. He has congress to get past and will toe and promote the pro-business line. Clinton should be in jail alongside those who have been convicted of the same "crime" as her. No two ways about it. However, she will toe the pro-business line and promote the pro-people line. If people want to vote for change, t'would seem a little odd to vote for more of the same, because things are all but guaranteed not to change given the relatively recent history of the country, its 2 horse race and its wars. Buy hey, it's much more fun to talk about sport for an hour than to spend that hour thinking about the general predicament the country finds itself in. God forbid that such a thing could happen anywhere else in the world