The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Voltaire]

I get it....one you 'elect' a new Pressy he/she can do what they like and become a dictator

[Oscar]

Either that or a Nazi.

Last I checked, I wasn't either.
Meh, perhaps I come off as being one or the other sometimes.

Like I'm sure he's not senile, or a vile racist twat , but he does a good impression sometimes.

[Brian d marge]

Either that or a Nazi.

Must resist shooting fish in barrel
Must resist

The only surprise so far is he ain't playing Pokemon go

Just a recap Oscar me old chap

Mike pence , and Tim Kaine one gets his money from the trilateral commission and the other from AIPAC.
But then u would know that if u had half a clue..

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[Brian d marge]

I get it....one you 'elect' a new Pressy he/she can do what they like and become a dictator

No they are just the spokesperson for the gang


sent for a divine source

[oldrider]

PM Removed - Gremlin

What personal anti-Semitic shit?

Obviously you can dish it out Oscar but you certainly appear unable to take it back! - Suggest you do a course on anger management!

[Oscar]

Must resist shooting fish in barrel
Must resist

The only surprise so far is he ain't playing Pokemon go

Just a recap Oscar me old chap

Mike pence , and Tim Kaine one gets his money from the trilateral commission and the other from AIPAC.
But then u would know that if u had half a clue..

sent for a divine source

If you had have a clue you would have a better command of English and not come off like an illiterate twat.

[Oscar]

What personal anti-Semitic shit?

Obviously you can dish it out Oscar but you certainly appear unable to take it back! - Suggest you do a course on anger management!

So now you understand the question.

A pity you don't respond otherwise.

[husaberg]

What personal anti-Semitic shit?

Obviously you can dish it out Oscar but you certainly appear unable to take it back! - Suggest you do a course on anger management!

You might want to heed his advice, it sounds like a heads up, it certainly didn't appear to be angry, no use of capitals etc.
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Here's an idea, you could offer an explanation as to why you think Oscar (and probably me, and anyone else who calls you out on your racism) is racist and bigoted; rather than just asserting your self-delusions over and over and over again... After all, there's a great difference between showing people what to think, and telling them.

Here's another idea - fuck off!

So hows about you, just for once, back up something that post?
Find something that I posted that was racist.

Sure, I am a bigot a racist....
I am quite happy with who and what I am!

You might find people can read a post by Oscar which contains opinions (although widely shared) without the word fact in it at all, and figure out for themselves whether he is arguing it as fact or opinion.
No, I think you just needed to find some nit-picky strawman bullshit to draw attention away from the fact that you are a bigoted old fool who attempts to hide his bigotry under a noodly spine.
Still, as long as we have you focusing on this diatribe, your hate filled anti-semitic ravings are fewer...

Blown up by your own bomb - what you are arguing as fact is only your own opinion!
The difference is I don't have to get nasty be abusive or tell lies - fact is fact - you simply have another opinion readers can form their own opinion or look it up.
But of course you are so arrogant that you think that you and only you is always right!

Well you've been better of late, but you got labeled as such for bullshit like saying "90% of the worlds finances are controlled by Jews" which I believe is more or less a direct quote, and it was in the context of financial oppression etc; and you backed it up by just saying, it's gotta be around that I reckon.
If you think that is the same as someone saying that some zionist's are terrorists/commit crimes against humanity/war crimes/evil/shitcunts; you need your fucking head read.

You post lies falsehoods and myths, you selectively post all these to suit your own racist bigoted agenda.
Tell you what if you are so comfortable with what you post it in a letter to the editor in your local newspaper, with your names and address.

Oh the return of the shill - you remind me of a traffic cop in Lower Hutt back in the day (Arnold Barr) - he used to wait patiently in shadows too - like you to no avail.

So you are not game to share your musings in a newspaper with your name and address then, what are you afraid of. You often say your posts are purely educational after all.

husaberg - the shill from the Wild Wild West coast - of? - Israel?...

[oldrider]

One word - Pathetic.

[seattle smitty]

As an outsider I don't understand any of the personal stuff here, and surely am not taking sides in any of it, but I want to point out that Oscar offered a good counter-example to my assertion that Americans, and by extension probably voters in most or all other democracies, are very frequently voting against candidates or issues, rather than for anything. This is not always the case, and when Oscar cited Brexit he pointed out an example in which a majority of voters prevailed against the Establishment. Whether the Brexit vote was a good or bad thing in itself, I'll leave to you, but the fact that voters are occasionally able to stand against the powers-that-be is a small source of hope, or so it seems to me.

[oldrider]

The modern day Western electorate only ever gets to vote governments etc OUT! -

The notion that governments are voted IN is false - who goes IN is controlled by the main stream media vested interest etc! -

Same all over the Western world.

As an outsider I don't understand any of the personal stuff here, and surely am not taking sides in any of it, but I want to point out that Oscar offered a good counter-example to my assertion that Americans, and by extension probably voters in most or all other democracies, are very frequently voting against candidates or issues, rather than for anything. This is not always the case, and when Oscar cited Brexit he pointed out an example in which a majority of voters prevailed against the Establishment. Whether the Brexit vote was a good or bad thing in itself, I'll leave to you, but the fact that voters are occasionally able to stand against the powers-that-be is a small source of hope, or so it seems to me.

Oscar and I fell out initially because I criticised Israel over their treatment of Gaza and the west Bank I.E. Palestine - IMHO Israel is no better than Nazi Germany!

That is the crux of our dispute but Oscar and I are like oil and water - unable to mix - so be it. The sun will shine tomorrow!

[Brian d marge]

If you had have a clue you would have a better command of English and not come off like an illiterate twat.

you tried that , how many times before???


but keep posting , one needs a metric to gauge humanity

[Voltaire]

As an outsider I don't understand any of the personal stuff here, and surely am not taking sides in any of it, but I want to point out that Oscar offered a good counter-example to my assertion that Americans, and by extension probably voters in most or all other democracies, are very frequently voting against candidates or issues, rather than for anything. This is not always the case, and when Oscar cited Brexit he pointed out an example in which a majority of voters prevailed against the Establishment. Whether the Brexit vote was a good or bad thing in itself, I'll leave to you, but the fact that voters are occasionally able to stand against the powers-that-be is a small source of hope, or so it seems to me.

I don't understand the personal stuff here either, I put it down to bored and and winding up is fun, retired and bored, no bike and bored, tinfoil hat wearers with no friends,no shed to play in, unemployed ex school teacher and RSA won't take carrots as payment for beer.

There is no real Democracy and the US voting system shows how well it can be 'worked'
The two parties are self serving and run like corporations, the plebs are tired of it and if voting for Donald upsets the apple cart/gravy train it might just happen.
Just watching Bill Clinton giving his " I love my wife speech" made me want to vomit.
The political dynasty's are not much different to the Monarchs of old really.
I doubt you will see another binding referendum like BREXIT for a while, other than maybe Italy who's PM thinks they like him.

Apologies for sensible answer with no name calling and dumb you tube clip...

[Katman]

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Zionism isn't a race.

[Ocean1]

I doubt you will see another binding referendum like BREXIT for a while, other than maybe Italy who's PM thinks they like him.

We failed in our last attempt to force legislation regarding binding referenda a decade ago. Probably one of NZ's worst abuses of established power in recent memory.

Not that a never ending stream of referendums demanding govt compliance to inevitably conflicting, nit pickin' democratic process isn't doomed to abject failure. Look at the limited democracy we have now, and it's effect of a majority voting themselves the proceeds of a minority's productive efforts. Not a long term winning strategy, to say the least.

Seems silly to blame politicians for lying to us when their only alternative is to point out that there's a limit to the number of individual voters problems others can be expected to fix, and subsequent political extinction.

Having said that, wouldn't a genuine attempt, devoid of spin really gain enough votes to break the cycle?



Nah, sorry, brief fit of sanity, there. Won't happen again....