The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Ocean1]

Problem is that tallying them up is all it would be. No change would be effected.

The more the democratic system is discussed, the more I come to the conclusion it gives us the standard of leadership we deserve, not the standard we are capable of. Broken media, proliferation of bad information and echo chambers, broken voting systems, broken candidates; all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

Aye, charge $1000 for a vote.

Why should anyone expect a say in spending someone else's tax dollars?

[bogan]

Aye, charge $1000 for a vote.

Why should anyone expect a say in spending someone else's tax dollars?

Tax weighted voting would be a better way to that sort of end, actually paying to vote skews towards disposable income, and also apathy (who the fuck would have spent 1k on labor last (or the coming) election).

But I think the linkage between wealth and robust decision making is not so strong that we would wish to go down that path.

[mashman]

Problem is that tallying them up is all it would be. No change would be effected.

The more the democratic system is discussed, the more I come to the conclusion it gives us the standard of leadership we deserve, not the standard we are capable of. Broken media, proliferation of bad information and echo chambers, broken voting systems, broken candidates; all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem

[Katman]

@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem

Well that's life through the eyes of a stupid cunt for you.

[oldrider]

all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

So we get a student loan and a degree in voting (should be as smart as you can get?) we only get the same options as every other dumb fucking voter!

How exactly is being smarter going to solve the problem?

[bogan]

@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem

Think about it, it's the only democratic answer. Although I'm all ears if you have another one?

So we get a student loan and a degree in voting (should be as smart as you can get?) we only get the same options as every other dumb fucking voter!

How exactly is being smarter going to solve the problem?

The how is the tricky bit, but I think it more of a attitude shift than a formal education.

Well smarter voters would need to be in majority, obviously. With smarter voters, you'd prioritise based on smarter policy. You think people like Trump and Hilary would have stood a chance if the voters were smart enough to see and understand the insubstantial, or outright destructive policy they were pushing?

The idea that the only say we get is every 4 years a box to tick is absurdly apathetic; as is the idea that we can do nothing to change what those boxes represent.

[Katman]

Think about it, it's the only democratic answer. Although I'm all ears if you have another one?

Politicians who are more motivated by the desire to work on behalf of society, rather than for themselves, would help.

[bogan]

Politicians who are more motivated by the desire to work on behalf of society rather than themselves would help.

Which smarter voters would identify, and elect to power; regardless of if they were with one of the two main parties or not.

[Katman]

Which smarter voters would identify, and elect to power; regardless of if they were with one of the two main parties or not.

Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

[yokel]

@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem

It most certainly is.
Either increase the age limit or only let men have the responsibility of voting.
The latter being the best option.

But seen a democracy is inherently corrupt, some cunt will try and change the rules so they can dimwits to vote for em.

[mashman]

Think about it, it's the only democratic answer. Although I'm all ears if you have another one?

Oldrider covered that re: same options. In other words, offer more options... else getting smarter about voting will likely see far less people voting.

All ears is one thing. Having the brains to understand any alternative is another. But yeah, you are all ears. And Katman covered that.

[mashman]

It most certainly is.
Either increase the age limit or only let men have the responsibility of voting.
The latter being the best option.

But seen a democracy is inherently corrupt, some cunt will try and change the rules so they can dimwits to vote for em.

Ah, the other side of the bogan embryo. Yeah, nah.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

I love it...

Bogan essentially agrees with you - and this is your response.

[bogan]

Oldrider covered that re: same options. In other words, offer more options... else getting smarter about voting will likely see far less people voting.

All ears is one thing. Having the brains to understand any alternative is another. But yeah, you are all ears. And Katman covered that.

More options? Are there any restriction on why these 'other options' cannot run under the current system to be chosen by smarter voters? I mean, things like the money free party have made the attempt...

'Having the brains to understand any alternative' is exactly what I mean when I said smarter voters are the fix. Why do you state disagreement then say things which are in agreement with that?

[bogan]

I love it...

Bogan essentially agrees with you - and this is your response.

Reminds me of something I read the other day

What's becoming increasingly transparent is that you base your opinions on nothing more than whatever is opposite to my opinion.