The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Banditbandit]

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then.
looks like you might want to study up some more about when states were created.

Note The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not"

Yes .. when Egypt destroyed Israel ... it was destroyed - gone - non-existent .. and yet the pommies revived it ...

[Banditbandit]

UBI, UBI, My kingdom for a UBI. Such coming from the banks will be treated with suspicion. Coming from the White House, less so, but at least it won't be coming from those dirty rotten banks that everyone knows is the problem .

Trump's action could have dire consequences for the world's economy ... it could tighten the mopey supply and therefore put up all your mortgages .. of if you are a renter, put up your rent as the landlord tries to pay off raised mortgages ..

[Hemi Makutu]

Anyone here recall the 'Bob Jones Party' - set up to protest the Muldoon regime's 'autarchy national-socialism'?

& although the '1st past the post' electoral system then in use prevented Jones taking power,
- it enabled the 'Rogernomics' regime.. an utterly devious con/pyramid scheme for 'Fey Richwhites' et al.. to fuck over NZ as their bitch..

Trump is like a bit like Jones, but via the protest vote - he actually got elected!

& now the world has to watch him fiddle Nero-wise, but with his impulsive hand on the nuke button.. & ready to 'burn baby, burn'..


This political opinion piece sums up what a con job the Trump deal has been/will be..

http://www.echo.net.au/2016/11/thus-...america-world/

[jasonu]

Ummm that line of thought has contributed to the Alice in Wonderland situation the USA currently finds itself in.

It's the "American Dream" if you work hard you will be successful - and therefore wealthy. Being poor is regarded as evidence of a character flaw, a sign of weakness. Poor white people in the USA do not regard themselves as poor that would mean they were weak. They regard their situation as a temporary setback, one lucky break and they'll be rolling in it. Before the steel mills, the coal mines, and the ports etc, all shut down the dream had some validity even if it wasn't quite real. For some time now though it has been pure fantasy.

Trump made promises which appealed to them as the answer to their problems ,so they bought into his nonsense. People are asking, "What happens when they realise they were lied to?" Most likely they'll be just that much poorer, because nobody else thinks Trump considers poor whites a priority.

Ted Cruz has apparently put himself foward as a candidate for the Supreme Court. Cruz is a prick. As another Republican said, he had better start sucking up to the politicians he has been pissing off for years if he has any expectation that he would be confirmed for the position.

The sun is shining, I should be riding the bike instead of reading about all this stuff...

There are a few unsubstantiated and totally unproveable generalizations in that there post podna...

[pritch]

There are a few unsubstantiated and totally unproveable generalizations in that there post podna...

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

[jasonu]

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

The anti Trump US media searches out people like that because it suits their slant.

[mashman]

Trump's action could have dire consequences for the world's economy ... it could tighten the mopey supply and therefore put up all your mortgages .. of if you are a renter, put up your rent as the landlord tries to pay off raised mortgages ..

He happens to be the catalyst for something that was already in the post. Coulda been anyone, including the lady that wanted war. Gotta pay for war somehow. Peace is twice as expensive.

[Brian d marge]

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

The toothless thing shocked me when I went back to NZ

It was really noticeable

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

The toothless thing isn't the sole reserve of the long term unemployed. Turns out that kids are expensive and their needs generally outweigh one getting new teeth... that and the bills need to be paid and the family needs to eat etc...

[Brian d marge]

The toothless thing isn't the sole reserve of the long term unemployed. Turns out that kids are expensive and their needs generally outweigh one getting new teeth... that and the bills need to be paid and the family needs to eat etc...

Let them eat cake

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[husaberg]

Yes .. when Egypt destroyed Israel ... it was destroyed - gone - non-existent .. and yet the pommies revived it ...

I think you missed my point. Using Oldies very Faulty Logic he applies solely to Israel. The Present State of Palestine never existed until 1988.Ie 40 years after Israel

Palestine, A Century after the Balfour Declaration: (Remember: Israel did not exist until 1948 - https://history.state.gov/milestones...reation-israel)

The party is the people. Any US citizen can register to be a Democrat or Republican and that gives them the chance to vote for anyone who is running to be the party candidate for POTUS. It is called the primaries.

But youre missing the delegate process Jace, thus as i said the party controls the nomination process.

[mashman]

Let them eat cake

sent for a divine source

So long as it's chocolate, bring on the cake.

[Hemi Makutu]

I think you missed my point. Using Oldies very Faulty Logic he applies solely to Israel. The Present State of Palestine never existed until 1988.Ie 40 years after Israel



But youre missing the delegate process Jace, thus as i said the party controls the nomination process.

The Republican 'party' despises Trump, who isn't even a real 'Republican'.. it was Trump who controlled the 'process'..

As for Palestine.. miss the point much?

The indigenous tribal peoples living there for generations hadn't had, or needed a 'president' ( 'cept for the Ottoman Sultan) ,
& the post of president - is a just a figurehead one in Israel, anyhow...

[Ocean1]

For the most part its good decision making, but look at cunts like Tamaki, Trump, etc Other dickheads like Crafar who make money while polluting and abusing livestock, slash and burn forestry/resource practices, con-men. All of those things look good on the balance sheet (at least for a while), but you'd not want them calling the shots.

Welfare voters don't seem to be an issue yet.

It's a mistake to equate bad behaviour by rich pricks as symptomatic of all rich pricks. In fact statistically, poor behaviour is far more prevalent among poor pricks.

So either change the rules to discourage poor behaviour or enforce existing rules so they work. Most rich pricks won't give a shit, people who show a propensity to do well in a given environment usually do well in any environment.

And that depends what you define as welfare voters. Over half of NZ households receive more in benefits that they pay in tax, now why do you suppose that's just over 50%?

[Ocean1]

Yeah..... silly me, for living and paying taxes for a first world society. Of course I should be able to compete with worker in an economy where they are lucky to be allowed to work for a pittance or be left to starve in the gutter. Just so long as you can continue to consume for as little as possible and your share values keep rising. The rest of society, Hell, we're just holding you back. Shine on!

Don't you worry mate, me and mine will be fine. My fears are for our society and future generations of New Zealanders. Not everyone with means is as anti-social as yourself!

You still whining that you can't compete with an ex 3rd world subsistence farmer? Is there any particular reason you think you deserve ten times his wages for doing the same work, badly?