Mondayised public holidays

[haydes55]

I have a question for the kiwibiker employment boffins.

With these new fandangled mondayised holidays which fall on a weekend... What about people who work the weekend? I work Saturday through Wednesday. So I work both the Sunday and monday. I get a paid day off today (obviously) but working tomorrow is time and a half. Because Christmas is observed Tuesday, and I'll be working, will I get time and a half?

Can't find this info online anywhere

[Virago]

30 seconds of googling...

https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave...-on-a-weekend/

[jasonu]

You fat cunts get way to many days off as it is. Try being a business owner that has to pay out many weeks of time off per employee per year. It is no wonder shit costs so much in NZ.

[Tazz]

1.5 time
Day in lieu (in most cases)

You fat cunts get way to many days off as it is. Try being a business owner that has to pay out many weeks of time off per employee per year. It is no wonder shit costs so much in NZ.

I agree to a point, but it's still a (fair) trade off on profit vs holidays. If the overheads are out of hand you just stay closed or (for a small business) run the ship yourself.

Some cafes do a 15% etc surplus to help cover the cost of being open to provide their services.

[onearmedbandit]

You fat cunts get way to many days off as it is. Try being a business owner that has to pay out many weeks of time off per employee per year. It is no wonder shit costs so much in NZ.

Cafes over here bleat about that a lot. As they drive away in their AMG63 merc. Must be damn hard.

[george formby]

Cafes over here bleat about that a lot. As they drive away in their AMG63 merc. Must be damn hard.

It is for most provincial small restaurants. Trade is often seasonal and they really struggle to make 15% net profit before taxes. Usually owner/operators chasing a dream but buying a very low paid job and working 12 hour days. Big city 100 seater+ businesses have fairly steady year round trade and work to similar margins but the increased size makes it Mercedes possible if they are good operators. Probably a second hand Merc, though.

Most wee restaurants / cafes run at a significant loss on public holidays even with a surcharge. They only open to keep good faith with their customers and often get pilloried for the surcharge. Many don't bother with it because the grief from tight arsed, self centered customers is too much to bear. If the average wage is $18, on a public holiday the owner is paying out $45 p/h. Gotta sell a lot of coffee and muffins to justify that.

[onearmedbandit]

It is for most provincial small restaurants. Trade is often seasonal and they really struggle to make 15% net profit before taxes. Usually owner/operators chasing a dream but buying a very low paid job and working 12 hour days. Big city 100 seater+ businesses have fairly steady year round trade and work to similar margins but the increased size makes it Mercedes possible if they are good operators. Probably a second hand Merc, though.

Most wee restaurants / cafes run at a significant loss on public holidays even with a surcharge. They only open to keep good faith with their customers and often get pilloried for the surcharge. Many don't bother with it because the grief from tight arsed, self centered customers is too much to bear. If the average wage is $18, on a public holiday the owner is paying out $45 p/h. Gotta sell a lot of coffee and muffins to justify that.

That argument can hold true for any provincial retail style businesses. But there are cafes that charge extra on public holidays here in ChCh where I personally know the owners are making a very decent living. They charge the surcharge because they're in it for the money. Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against making a profit and a decent one at that, people who put it all on the line and get the rewards deserve it. But to be crying hardship from 'up on high' is a pisstake.

[Oakie]

If you work the weekend, you observe the holidays on the days that they fall. If you don't, they are pushed into the week
Examples:
At our work we have a chunk of people who work Sunday to Wednesday. They observe the holidays on Sunday and Monday, ie, the actual days
We have another chunk who work Monday to Friday. We observe Chistmas Day (Sunday) on Tuesday ... Monday is Boxing Day and doesn't move. 'Mondayised' is a bit of a misnomer in that case.
We have a third group who work Wednesday to Saturday and they don't get any benefit from the public holidays.

Pain in the arse for payroll types like me but at least I have a nice clever rostering system that works it all out for me now.

Your specific question ... Tuesday for you is just a normal day as you will have had the benefits on Sunday and Monday.

[BMWST?]

You fat cunts get way to many days off as it is. Try being a business owner that has to pay out many weeks of time off per employee per year. It is no wonder shit costs so much in NZ.

do your own work then.

[george formby]

But to be crying hardship from 'up on high' is a pisstake.

I totally agree. Nothing rips my nightie more than the hollow souls who cannot see past their burgeoning bank balance.

[WristTwister]

Most wee restaurants / cafes run at a significant loss on public holidays even with a surcharge. They only open to keep good faith with their customers and often get pilloried for the surcharge. Many don't bother with it because the grief from tight arsed, self centered customers is too much to bear. If the average wage is $18, on a public holiday the owner is paying out $45 p/h. Gotta sell a lot of coffee and muffins to justify that.

$18 an hour for cafe workers?

The managers would be lucky to get paid that.


Anyway, OP; If you're working Sunday and Monday (and they are days you usually work), you should get time and a half + alternative leave days. You won't get anything extra for working Tuesday (Xmas Day Observed), as you already got paid your entitlements on Xmas day.

[jasonu]

$18 an hour for cafe workers?

The managers would be lucky to get paid that.


Anyway, OP; If you're working Sunday and Monday (and they are days you usually work), you should get time and a half + alternative leave days. You won't get anything extra for working Tuesday (Xmas Day Observed), as you already got paid your entitlements on Xmas day.

So working a public holiday gets you double time and a half. Sign me up!!!

Dad used to work for the Auckland Star. Once a month he did the graveyard Saturday night shift 11pm to 4am that paid 8hrs at triple time. There were similar other perks like extra money just for not being late 30 days straight and plenty of extra days off and lots of extra sick leave. They went broke.

[Oakie]

So working a public holiday gets you double time and a half. Sign me up!!! .

Not necessarily. If the public holiday on which you work is not a day on which you'd 'normally' work, you do get T1.5 but no Alternative Holiday entitlement. This is why a true casual employee should never get an alternative holiday ... because they don't have normal work days. The thing is though that the Holidays Act does not define what 'normal' is. It is left up to employers to decide. At ours we say its a normal day if the person had worked that day on 3 out out of the last 4 weeks. A test used in law though is 'had it not been a public holiday, would the person have worked?

[pritch]

I travelled south from Orere on boxing day and most of the cafe's I would normally use were closed: the one at Pirongia, Bosco's and Wheels both at Taumarunui. The BP one at Te Kuiti was open but I don't normally use that. The first one of "mine" that was open was the Fat Pigeon at PioPio. The Fat Pigeon was doing a roaring trade, cars everywhere, I wasn't stopping.

The surcharge is a relatively new phenomenon. Previously the overtime was just factored in to the years figures. My local pub decided he wouldn't have a surcharge, he wouldn't open on holidays. But he went broke. I'll be interested to see what the new publican does.

[Virago]

It hurts even more when you've got staff "on call", as they're not actually generating income unless they're called out.

On call staff are deemed to be working. I pay my staff ordinary time for the public holiday, plus ordinary time during a call-out (effectively double time for the time actually worked), and they then get a day off in lieu.

It's essentially a bit of a perk, and as such there's no shortage of volunteers to be on call, which makes it easier to manage.