Rodeos

[Katman]

That all said, there is probably some room for either a code of conduct or set of standards to define what is acceptable and what isn't, so ensure that Scumbags don't get away with scumbaggery.

There is - and the Rodeo organisers routinely ignore them.

As does the MPI.

[TheDemonLord]

Possibly, but I suspect it would be a middle ground that would hold no interest for the people to participate in rodeos.

Depends where it is - I think most people (both Industry people and Punters) would want their hobby/industry to be viewed as humane.

I'm reminded of a Battery Farm protest that happened down south ages ago - they interviewed one of the protesters and the first words out of their mouth was 'Well, I'm Vegan so' - which immediately burned any sort of possibility of a Middle ground that appeased the protestors and was acceptable to the business.


I should note - not a particular fan of Battery farming.

[AllanB]

Possibly, but I suspect it would be a middle ground that would hold no interest for the people to participate in rodeos.

Actually you have most likely hit the nail on the head right there.

[TheDemonLord]

There is - and the Rodeo organisers routinely ignore them.

As does the MPI.

Is that because the MPI doesn't have legal clout to deal with it or the legislation is flimsy?

[Katman]

Is that because the MPI doesn't have legal clout to deal with it or the legislation is flimsy?

It's because the MPI is headed by Nathan Guy - who is a staunch supporter of rodeos.

[TheDemonLord]

Don't kid yourself.

Once the animal's bucking days are over, it's usually death anyway.

Tis a good point to be sure - I would counter that it doesn't HAVE to end in Death - there are options (stud farming, petting zoos/farms, no-kill organizations etc.) - it would seem to me that this could be fixed by having a clear and defined guidelines (that are enforced) for what can be done after the Animal cannot perform, and explicitly stating that the Glue factory is not an option.

[Katman]

Thankfully a number of major sponsers of the New Zealand rodeo circuit have withdrawn their support in light of the growing public outrage.

[Katman]

Tis a good point to be sure - I would counter that it doesn't HAVE to end in Death - there are options (stud farming, petting zoos/farms, no-kill organizations etc.) - it would seem to me that this could be fixed by having a clear and defined guidelines (that are enforced) for what can be done after the Animal cannot perform, and explicitly stating that the Glue factory is not an option.

They've been trying to get the Greyhound racing industry to comply with that expectation for years.

Dogs past their use-by date are still turning up in offal pits.

[husaberg]

I've never been to one but living on the rural rump I'm aware they have them near here. It could be said that the events are based on skills required on farms but I think these days machinery has almost completely replaced horses so any real relevance is long gone.

When the synthetic fuel plant was being built (sadly long since cut up for scrap) a new Safety Officer arrived from the USA. The following Monday he turned up to work with his arm in a sling. In answer to my question he told me he'd been injured in the bull riding event at the local rodeo. I wouldn't have been the only one who wondered if this was not incongruous.

There is still plenty of people who use horses for stock work, especially with run cattle, but they are getting fewer and fewer, but it still has its place.
While not to do with your post but always interests me what urban dwellers with no experience of large animal husbandry view as being animal cruelty.
For instance European and North Americans often view our animals being keep outside as being inhumane when large animals are in their natural environment outside.

[Voltaire]

At the risk of being accused of youtubing, I'll just say that there's certainly no shortage of videos out there to help you with your research.

Your two favourites rolled into one.

[trufflebutter]

It's what I expected.

The irony of this thread is that the OP seems to enjoy flogging a dead horse...

[tigertim20]

Bit hard to really say without being involved with both the behind the scenes stuff, and seeing a rodeo or two in person.
I have experienced neither.

The problem with youtube / internet docos etc, is that typically, and despite insistence to the contrary, most of them have only been created because someone is predisposed to a particular viewpoint, and is passionate enough about it to go and creatively edit some footage to 'prove' their point.
i.e. those videos show plenty of the tiny and brief snapshots of panic, but little, or no footage of those animals spending 99% of their time grazing and sleeping and enjoying the benefits of veterinary intervention (when required) to maintain health - most of those animals are treated in that respect like athletes, their health is important. Or so I am told by a woman I train with who breeds horses and goes to rodeos from time to time.

Would be easy to ban motorcycles based on a few videos selected from the youtube files of stupidity, and easy to ban MMA, because of a couple of graphic video clips, carefully selected to invoke and emotional response. fortunately in both if these instances, common sense prevails, and the aforementioned activities are allowed to continue.

I am not a fan of causing any kind of torment purely for the sake of entertainment, so perhaps its more a question of whether some kind of regulation would be a satisfactory solution?

Of course, you have a whole new can of worms there, deciding what factors to consider, and where to apply a limit etc.

[Katman]

Would be easy to ban motorcycles based on a few videos selected from the youtube files of stupidity, and easy to ban MMA, because of a couple of graphic video clips, carefully selected to invoke and emotional response.

Of course the big difference there is that all the participants involved in motorcycling and MMA do so of their own free will.

[bogan]

Arguably its successor, the Colorado is a better all-around ute. And not even up for discussion, its predecessor, the kingswood, was superior also.

So yes, rodeos should be stopped; and either replaced with suprior technology (robotic bulls) or have superior old school rides instead (maybe raptors?).

[Madness]

... a ragging bull.

There's no good time of the month for that kind of malarkey.