The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

Bearing in mind that the US participation in the Vietnam war was started with a lie about an attack on US ships in the Tonkin Gulf, and that George W's war in Iraq was started with a lie about non-existent weapons of mass destruction. The efforts of the Trump administration to lie about a Houti rebel attack on a Saudi ship, and present it as "an attack by Iran on one of our ships" should ring a bell. An alarm bell. Those who do not learn from history...

Any hopes that Trump would become "Presidential" have proved unfounded. He's the same ignorant, arrogant, fuckwit he always was, except that now he's being manipulated by a dangerous arsehole who is a lot smarter than he is.

One thing Trump must do sooner rather than Later will be to ensure the destabilisation and destruction of Iran as any possible future threat to his Middle Eastern friends and allies. - It will be interesting seeing just how he will make this happen! but it will happen!

[jasonu]

double the product's price?

It would still be cheaper than in NZ.

[jasonu]

Every member of KB other than Yokel?

and Cassina.

[husaberg]

and Cassina.

By Yokel, i of course, meant Katman and Cassina as well.

[pritch]

It just gets more weird by the day. Kellyanne Conway when being asked on TV about the muslim ban pointed out that Obama had done a similar thing previously when two Iraqis became radicalised and organised the massacre at Bowling Green (Kentucky). What's wrong with that? Nothing, except that the "Bowling Green Massacre" exists entirely in her mind. No such event took place. Well, not yet anyway.

The Department of Defence had an Al Queda video clip on their website, apparently presented as captured during the recent botched raid. Unfortunately people recognised the clip as one that had been shown previously, closer examination showed the clip to be ten years old. The DOD have now removed the clip from their website. That clip is about as believable as the Pentagon statements about the raid.

Trump tweeted overnight about paid protesters. People are wondering how they might go about getting one of these paid protester positions. The "paid protesters" was fake news. The only person genuinely known to have paid people to attend a political meeting is Trump himself. Although the firm that he engaged to organise the casting call had to wait months for their money.

[Grumph]

As far as i know the only massacre at Bowling Green Ky, was when T C Christensen took out a mess of Harleys on the "Hogslayer" Norton double...

Used to be a very famous drag race meeting there. Well, this is still a M/c forum...

The presentation of "alternative facts" has got to get somewhat better. This administration is under more scrutiny than any previous.

[Ocean1]

It would still be cheaper than in NZ.

It fucking should be if it's built there and then trundled half way around the world.

The thing is, shit's currently cheap as chips because the US moved most of their manufacturing off shore, to where the wages were much, much lower.

Anyone that thinks they can bring it back without the associated cost increases is delusional.

[Brian d marge]

As far as i know the only massacre at Bowling Green Ky, was when T C Christensen took out a mess of Harleys on the "Hogslayer" Norton double...

Used to be a very famous drag race meeting there. Well, this is still a M/c forum...

The presentation of "alternative facts" has got to get somewhat better. This administration is under more scrutiny than any previous.

How he did that I will never know , even in standard form , what was it the "combat?? " cant remember which , but the internal were at the limit. Im surprised they even concidered putting that thing into production

then to drag race it ... must have cost him a fortune

[husaberg]

It fucking should be if it's built there and then trundled half way around the world.

The thing is, shit's currently cheap as chips because the US moved most of their manufacturing off shore, to where the wages were much, much lower.

Anyone that thinks they can bring it back without the associated cost increases is delusional.

Thats part two of the plan, As trump believes you should be greatful for the oportunity to work for pitance in Don Trump run America ...

[oldrider]

America’s Drums of War: White House Issues War Threat Against Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/america...t-iran/5572420

US Betrays Iran Deal as Predicted – Edges Closer to War: http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-betr...lated_articles

[yokel]

Can't say I've heard the media actually use the term ... it was my own opinion. I guess they could have though. Regardless, telling a company that if it builds things overseas and imports them back home they'll be slapped with huge levies at the border is more about isolation than independance.

Do you honestly believe you come up with that shit all by yourself?
Ha that's funny.

You do realise that shit comes from the same outfit that legitimately calls Bruce / Catlyn Jenner a "woman"

Perhaps "anti globalist" would suit better. From what I see on other forums, if you declare yourself a globalist in the US now, the wrath of the good 'ol boys and the god botherers will descend upon you...Globalism is unpatriotic I have on good authority. And probably ungodly....

Trump should in fact care what others think, despite the US' undoubted power, they're not self sufficient and do need trading partners.
Being on good terms with them can also be fruitful...

Perhaps, or nationalism.

If you want New Zealand to become a district of global governance?
Well I guess it's going to happen anyway or SHIFT.

[yokel]

A bunch of mentally enslaved morons egged on by the fascist media.

I'd say these cowards behind their covered up faces are mostly anarchists.

"The fascist of the future will be called the anti-fascists" - Winston Churchill

[pzkpfw]

It just gets more weird by the day. Kellyanne Conway when being asked on TV about the muslim ban pointed out that Obama had done a similar thing previously when two Iraqis became radicalised and organised the massacre at Bowling Green (Kentucky). What's wrong with that? Nothing, except that the "Bowling Green Massacre" exists entirely in her mind. No such event took place. Well, not yet anyway.
...

I've begun to wonder if that's a brilliant piece of misdirection.

The "massacre" was used as the claimed trigger for a 6 month ban on Iraqi refugees.

... but that ban also didn't happen. (Actual event was re-vetting of said refugees, after those two guys were arrested, and this caused delays. There was no outright ban).

Now, however, everyone who knows about the false claim talks about the massacre that didn't happen, and she apologised for it. Nobody seems to be talking about how the 6 month ban was also false. (I noticed this on network news, not just internet forums).

It's like their style is to use one outrageous falsehood to act as a "sacrificial fact" to mask another slightly more complex less outrageous falsehood. Bannon/Breitbart influence on style?

[Laava]

I've begun to wonder if that's a brilliant piece of misdirection.

The "massacre" was used as the claimed trigger for a 6 month ban on Iraqi refugees.

... but that ban also didn't happen. (Actual event was re-vetting of said refugees, after those two guys were arrested, and this caused delays. There was no outright ban).

Now, however, everyone who knows about the false claim talks about the massacre that didn't happen, and she apologised for it. Nobody seems to be talking about how the 6 month ban was also false. (I noticed this on network news, not just internet forums).

It's like their style is to use one outrageous falsehood to act as a "sacrificial fact" to mask another slightly more complex less outrageous falsehood. Bannon/Breitbart influence on style?

So if the massacre didn't happen, what were the two guys arrested for?

[Ocean1]

Thats part two of the plan, As trump believes you should be greatful for the oportunity to work for pitance in Don Trump run America ...

Aye, the fly in the ointment there being "what Trump believes".

His ignorance is simply unbelievable, even a very basic review of history would indicate that market protectionism produces exactly the opposite result to what he's suggesting: http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Econ...hina-trade-war

US trade policy has always been about bullying smaller markets into line, it's what their whole standard of living is based on, it'll be interesting to see how the new big kids on the block respond to those tactics.