Bucket bits wanted & services needed

[Drew]

Hahahaha. Bikes that have been turned into buckets, would now be legitimate race bikes again.

[F5 Dave]

People used nf4s are uncompetitive and cheap. Nx4s would still kill them in pre96. And my bucket had way more racing on it as a bucket than a 125. That's more legit. . , unless you think there's some pub glory spouting off about riding in the big boys class.

[Drew]

People used nf4s are uncompetitive and cheap. Nx4s would still kill them in pre96. And my bucket had way more racing on it as a bucket than a 125. That's more legit. . , unless you think there's some pub glory spouting off about riding in the big boys class.

Legitimate meaning, the class they were built for.

You don't always need to be so defensive about buckets.

[F5 Dave]

Oh, don't I feel foolish I thought you were being a troll.

[Grumph]

Hahahaha. Bikes that have been turned into buckets, would now be legitimate race bikes again.

Well to be fair, as soon as there was a class again they would pick up in value...

I remember the "rescue" of all the old Manx rolling chassis based specials to turn them back into valuable Manxes in the '80's.

[TALLIS]

Do the rules allow 125 cc in the pre 96 class? I have seen that the capacity could be classed as to small. Bit of a grey area maybe.

[Yow Ling]

Do the rules allow 125 cc in the pre 96 class? I have seen that the capacity could be classed as to small. Bit of a grey area maybe.

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MNZ dont have any rules on their website for p96 yet, however p89 p82 etc all allow 125's . Where are the existing p96 rules

[richban]

?Where are the existing p96 rules

I have never seen any. I know a couple of the lads heading to eastern creek next week will be picking the brains of the Guys running in the 250's NSRS RGV's etc. I think the rules are on the AU website.

[Grumph]

I have never seen any. I know a couple of the lads heading to eastern creek next week will be picking the brains of the Guys running in the 250's NSRS RGV's etc. I think the rules are on the AU website.

Doesn't mean they'll be copied as is...Tim, where did you get the idea that you needed a pre 96?

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MNZ dont have any rules on their website for p96 yet, however p89 p82 etc all allow 125's . Where are the existing p96 rules

Doesn't mean they'll be copied as is...Tim, where did you get the idea that you needed a pre 96?

CAMS introduced a Pre '96 class a while ago to get the ball rolling and NZPCRA are looking at it too from what I understand. Check the CAMS & NZPCRA websites. Cheers.

[Yow Ling]

CAMS introduced a Pre '96 class a while ago to get the ball rolling and NZPCRA are looking at it too from what I understand. Check the CAMS & NZPCRA websites. Cheers.

Any NX4 should be ok
3. Race or purpose built competition machines shall be dated from when they first appeared in
open competition or its newest major component.

[Yow Ling]

Here is p96 rules from the Cams site, dont know where they got them from or if they made them up

10. CAMS PRE MODERN 1996
1. Period of eligibility: shall be 1.1.1990 to 31.12.1995
2. Road based machines shall be dated from the date of manufacture or its newest major
component.
3. Race or purpose built competition machines shall be dated from when they first appeared in
open competition or its newest major component.
4. All machines must meet MNZ technical specifications (MoMs chapter 10)
5. Major components: Major components are defined as engine/gearbox casings, frames, swing
arm, brakes (excluding master cylinders which are open), forks, triple clamps.
6. Fuel: Pump Gas or Avgas
7. Modifications: Period major and minor components may be modified provided the modification is
visually indistinguishable from modifications proven to have been used in the period.
8. Replica components: Replica major and minor components may be used in any proportion
provided they are faithful copies of the originals made from the same materials and are of the same dimensions as the original. They should be visually indistinguishable from components proven to have been used in the period.
9. Body work: Body work is open but should be visually similar to those used in the period.
10. Number Boards:
F1 - Yellow Background black figures. Superbike - Blue background white figures. F2 - Dark green background white figures. F3 - Orange background black figures.
11. Wheels: Wheels should be of a style similar to those used in the period. Front wheel min diameter 16inch and max width 3.5inch wide, rear wheel min diameter 16 inch and max of 5.5 inch wide.
Onus of proof: Proof of eligibility for any machine, modification or component rests solely with the rider or machine owner.
Pre Modern 1996 Race classes
Formula One (F1)
 751cc - unlimited 4 stroke multi cylinder machines
 1001cc – unlimited 2 cylinder machines
 501cc - unlimited 2 stroke machines
 251cc – unlimited GP race machines
Superbike
 601cc – 751cc multi cylinder 4 stroke machines
 751cc – 1000cc 2 cylinder 4 stroke machines
 401cc – 500cc 2 stroke machines (non GP)
Formula Two (F2)
 451cc – 600cc multi cylinder 4 stroke machines
 501cc – 750cc 2 cylinder 4 stroke machines
 251cc – 400cc two stroke machines (non GP)
 126cc – 250cc GP race machinery
Formula Three (F3)
 0 - 450cc multi cylinder 4 stroke machines
 0 – 500cc 2 cylinder 4 stroke machines
 Unlimited single cylinder 4 stroke machines
 0 – 250cc 2 stroke machines (non GP)
 0 – 125cc GP race machines

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Any NX4 should be ok
3. Race or purpose built competition machines shall be dated from when they first appeared in
open competition or its newest major component.

Nup. They had a significant update in '98 to engine and frame. Can't put a 98+ cylinder on a '95 and vice versa. 98+ frame has additional stiffening easiest to spot by the front engine hangers being fully enclosed. 95 to 97 had incremental changes, '96 + have longer forks than the 95 then they went back to the shorter forks in 98? You could probably argue that there's not much performance advantage but the later NX4's are not strictly eligible. 96 & 97 should be ok. Cheers.

[F5 Dave]

That's a pity as the rules specifically allow you to use any barrel you like as its not a major component by their definition.

[timg]

That's a pity as the rules specifically allow you to use any barrel you like as its not a major component by their definition.

Yeah, but engine casings are a major component and a '98 cylinder won't go on 95-97 casings and vice versa due to changes to the stud spacing, so pretty hard to argue a 98+ is legit. The rules are what they are and it's easier to start with something that is obviously correct than try to justify or bs something dodgy. Cheers.