Friday Night Rants?

[Zedder]

Done it in a Texas territory, halved the rate of accidents and deaths, just like that.
Found that making people responsible for themselves suddenly turned them into reasonable drivers.

It doesn't suddenly turn selfish, underpar, stupid and irresponsible drivers into reasonable ones though.

[Ocean1]

It doesn't suddenly turn selfish, underpar, stupid and irresponsible drivers into reasonable ones though.

No? How else do you explain the improvement seen anywhere restrictions are removed?

[Zedder]

No? How else do you explain the improvement seen anywhere restrictions are removed?

Crap drivers still die and cause mayhem even where restrictions are removed.

[Ocean1]

Crap drivers still die and cause mayhem even where restrictions are removed.

How do you explain the improvement seen anywhere restrictions are removed?

In fact why would you bother? The fact that there's an improvement is enough to justify the change.

[Zedder]

How do you explain the improvement seen anywhere restrictions are removed?

In fact why would you bother? The fact that there's an improvement is enough to justify the change.

So, rather than fix the problem with for example, increased driver training, you advocate: she's right, there's been an improvement why bother?

[Ocean1]

So, rather than fix the problem with for example, increased driver training, you advocate: she's right, there's been an improvement why bother?

No. Read it again.

[Zedder]

No. Read it again.

My point is, just removing speed restrictions isn't the full story.

[Ocean1]

My point is, just removing speed restrictions isn't the full story.

I didn't suggest it was.

But given the lack of results from regulatory changes to date and the success of those authorities removing regulation it's got to be the single most attractive start.

So why aren't we doing that?

[Zedder]

I didn't suggest it was.

But given the lack of results from regulatory changes to date and the success of those authorities removing regulation it's got to be the single most attractive start.

So why aren't we doing that?

Most attractive start maybe as a cheap "fix", i.e just make a rule. The most benefits appear to come from countries adopting all or part of Sweden's Vision Zero strategy.

[Ocean1]

Most attractive start maybe as a cheap "fix", i.e just make a rule.

Which is the exact opposite of what's being suggested.

The most benefits appear to come from countries adopting all or part of Sweden's Vision Zero strategy.

No, that's my argument, get your own.

[Zedder]

Which is the exact opposite of what's being suggested.
No, that's my argument, get your own.

So what if it is?

[dangerous]

fuck... get a room...

as far as NZ goes, why do people think the death toll will lower WHEN the population is growing ie the number of cars on the road is increasing... simple math the tolls not going to fucking lower... more cars more deaths...

[Ocean1]

fuck... get a room...

as far as NZ goes, why do people think the death toll will lower WHEN the population is growing ie the number of cars on the road is increasing... simple math the tolls not going to fucking lower... more cars more deaths...

Well they've got to have something to blame "TPTB" for, innit?

How can they get all worked up about good news?

[schrodingers cat]

fuck... get a room...

as far as NZ goes, why do people think the death toll will lower WHEN the population is growing ie the number of cars on the road is increasing... simple math the tolls not going to fucking lower... more cars more deaths...

Well since I was ranting as per the thread title... I didn't make note of the fact that as I travelled said road, not having been that way for a year or so and given the volume of traffic it really is sub par.

Also my firm belief is that in heavy traffic maintaining an average speed is more critical to traffic flow than driving 'at the maximum' allowed.
Think back, Friday across the country was shit weather so driving a little slower and with more caution is a good thing.

The problem occurs with 'freight training' due to vehicles speeding up and slowing down. The ripples with travel back as following distances get adjusted (and magnify in their intensity) causes the jam.

And actually, the 'I want to drive 100kph everywhere brigade' create as much mayhem as the 'OMG, a corner!' crew.

Bring on the self driving cars.

[Swoop]

also, to the whores RIDING the horses over the paedestrian crossing, that shit's a vehicle, get the fuck off the footpath.

Fuck off. Horses don't have a numberplate or rego AND they are 4WD. They are a "from of transport" and not a vehicle.
Shouldn't be on the road at all. Ride the thing off-road.

As for horsefloats. Ban them completely.

How do you explain the improvement seen anywhere restrictions are removed?

In fact why would you bother? The fact that there's an improvement is enough to justify the change.

Didn't the Northern Territory see an increase in accidents when they removed the "no speed limit outside of townships" rule?

Bring on the self driving cars.

Have you thought what speed limits will be imposed on those things?
With the current mentality from TPTB "speed is baaad, mkay?" we will only see self drive trundling along at 20kph... if your lucky.
Because... "risk", "worksafe", spastics wearing hi-viz, morons in parliament, etc.