Should new tyres really be that slippery!!

[BMWST?]

A front wheel wash is scary but I have survived two by not panicking. One on tar seal and one in gravel.

many moons ago i used to do front wheel lock ups on my cb900 for fun....apparently a decent front wheel lock up leaves a kinda nike woosh mark on the roadway.I used to let the front brake of very soon afer the handlbars started to turn . Never did leave a decent skid mark(or bike parts) on the roadway tho

[Maha]

many moons ago i used to do front wheel lock ups on my cb900 for fun....apparently a decent front wheel lock up leaves a kinda nike woosh mark on the roadway.I used to let the front brake of very soon afer the handlbars started to turn tho Never did leave a decent skid mark(or bike parts) on the raodway tho

I wouldn't be game enough to even attempt that, the end result would quite probably be me somewhere in front the bike. In saying that, I use both the front and rear brakes (sometimes effectively together) when riding, it's a contentious subject, but it works for me.

[MarkW]

A front wheel wash is scary but I have survived two by not panicking. One on tar seal and one in gravel.

In my past life, on Rider Training Courses run at Manfeild Raceway, one of the OPTIONAL exercises that attenders could try involved the plastic lid off a 2 litre icecream container.

The lid was placed on the tar sealed flat ground some 20 metres in front of the student and their motorcycle. The student rode forward [they chose the speed] and started braking before the plastic lid. As the braking front wheel moved onto the plastic lid the front wheel generally locked as the traction level between the lid and the track surface was very low. So the motorcycle front wheel was now locked. The student could leave it locked until the lid wore out at which point the tyre was back on the track and normal traction resumed,
or things started to go pear shaped at which point a simple easing of the front brake had the front wheel back onto the good track surface and normal traction resumed,
or the student ignored everything that they had just talked about and chosen to do and crashed.

The normal ratio was about 50% of attendees were game enough to try the exercise and of those who did try 75% managed result one, 24% result 2 and the remaining 1% chose option 3. If option 3 was chosen there was a chocolate fish awarded to compensate for the scratches that generally resulted.

A further exercise done on one of my very early [as in 1970’s] trail bikes was to ride steadily across a dead flat nicely grassed paddock sitting as far back on the seat as possible and at a steady [slowish] speed in second gear. The front brake was then applied smoothly until the front wheel locked, power was kept on firmly so that a reasonable constant speed was maintained. The objective was to maintain balance and stability and to travel as far as possible with the front wheel locked. Again if things started to go pear shaped, releasing the front brake had normal operations resume. And if the rider did make a complete hash of things then as they were sitting right at the back of the seat they simply stepped off and the bike went down. Which is why a trail bike was used. One of my friends managed over 100 metres with the front wheel locked solid. As he couldn’t repeat the result with regularity we all told him that his excellent result was a fluke. But he could regularly manage a 50 metre lockup.

[Maha]

In my past life, on Rider Training Courses run at Manfeild Raceway, one of the OPTIONAL exercises that attenders could try involved the plastic lid off a 2 litre icecream container.

The lid was placed on the tar sealed flat ground some 20 metres in front of the student and their motorcycle. The student rode forward [they chose the speed] and started braking before the plastic lid. As the braking front wheel moved onto the plastic lid the front wheel generally locked as the traction level between the lid and the track surface was very low. So the motorcycle front wheel was now locked. The student could leave it locked until the lid wore out at which point the tyre was back on the track and normal traction resumed,
or things started to go pear shaped at which point a simple easing of the front brake had the front wheel back onto the good track surface and normal traction resumed,
or the student ignored everything that they had just talked about and chosen to do and crashed.

The normal ratio was about 50% of attendees were game enough to try the exercise and of those who did try 75% managed result one, 24% result 2 and the remaining 1% chose option 3. If option 3 was chosen there was a chocolate fish awarded to compensate for the scratches that generally resulted.

A further exercise done on one of my very early [as in 1970’s] trail bikes was to ride steadily across a dead flat nicely grassed paddock sitting as far back on the seat as possible and at a steady [slowish] speed in second gear. The front brake was then applied smoothly until the front wheel locked, power was kept on firmly so that a reasonable constant speed was maintained. The objective was to maintain balance and stability and to travel as far as possible with the front wheel locked. Again if things started to go pear shaped, releasing the front brake had normal operations resume. And if the rider did make a complete hash of things then as they were sitting right at the back of the seat they simply stepped off and the bike went down. Which is why a trail bike was used. One of my friends managed over 100 metres with the front wheel locked solid. As he couldn’t repeat the result with regularity we all told him that his excellent result was a fluke. But he could regularly manage a 50 metre lockup.

I would have given that a go Mark, but on your.
The gravel front wheel wash me was going downhill coming into a road works area at Whale bay. Luckily for me there was a rest area dead ahead which is where the bike went once the front tyre had given up on the 'plastic lid'. Anne was on the back and she heard the tyre having a disagreement with the road surface, even she kept her cool through the following few seconds. Oddly enough, the bikes following me at the time followed me into the rest area thinking I knew where I was going.

[Cosmik de Bris]

In my past life, on Rider Training Courses run at Manfeild Raceway, one of the OPTIONAL exercises that attenders could try involved the plastic lid off a 2 litre icecream container.

Back in the 70's I had a bad crash at an intersection by locking the front in the rain, I have been really apprehensive about it ever since. This post has given me hope again, thanks.

[T.W.R]

Once apon a time decent training involved learning how to cadence brake and feeling exactly what can be achieved with the front brake.Then along came ABS and took the feeling all away

[rastuscat]

Once apon a time decent training involved learning how to cadence brake and feeling exactly what can be achieved with the front brake.Then along came ABS and took the feeling all away

Cadence braking takes skill. Which most people lack.

It's basically a thing if the past but mostly coz nobody took the time to sufficiently practice it.

[T.W.R]

Cadence braking takes skill. Which most people lack.

It's basically a thing if the past but mostly coz nobody took the time to sufficiently practice it.

Exactly

a few years back i had a guy crash right in front of me and the 1st thing he said to me was...how the fuck did you brake so quickly? tried explaining it to him but it went straight over his head

[pritch]

My money is on greasy hands being all over the tyre as it was fitted.

Cassina, you won't fool anybody by using a new log in.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cassina, you won't fool anybody by using a new log in.

Lol. Couldn't agree more.

[SVboy]

Exactly

a few years back i had a guy crash right in front of me and the 1st thing he said to me was...how the fuck did you brake so quickly? tried explaining it to him but it went straight over his head

Cadence braking Tell us more.

[Honest Andy]

I thought "Cadence Braking" was just a flash term for braking too hard then releasing to regain traction then braking too hard then releasing to regain traction then braking too hard then... crash...

[bogan]

There is a case to be made for tyres being pre-washed before sale, perhaps the cat-fucker cunt who has our MSL can use it to buy some soapy water and get the fuck to work...

Yep. You're talking shit.

Seconded. Self correcting 'slides' should not be confused with ones which do need correction applied.

[nzspokes]

Seconded. Self correcting 'slides' should not be confused with ones which do need correction applied.

Or get some training so the slides don't happen in the first place.

[Honest Andy]

the cat-fucker cunt who has our MSL

MSL? is that short for measles? He obviously hasn't been immunised. Someone should tell him how important immunisation is....