Franchise Building Company Debate

[Swoop]

All you get is a generic plan...

Not so. A good mate built in Hamilton using a franchise building company.
He took their book of "standard plans" and physically cut into them with a pair of scissors, then changed a few rooms around. Said "I want you to build that" to the company and they happily agreed.
Standard plans in a booklet are for the retards who haven't a clue about design and then would still choose a standard plan and locate it on a site without regard for where the sun is through the day.

The other thing is that systems which are commonplace overseas are virtually unheard of here.triple glazing and whatnot.

The big problem with high-quality windows imported from Europe is... "it doesn't comply with our regulations".
Yup. Since it hasn't been tested to our standards (far lower) there are massive problems with that nasty word "compliance".
What European manufacturer would bother going to the huge expense of our testing of a product which passes far higher levels? This annoys council pencil-pushing dickwads who then get all uppity.

... the mandatory change to double glazing standards.

Not 100% correct.
You can still build with single glazing. There is a way.

[TheDemonLord]

what you want is (presumably) an anechoic hedron, double skinned walls with offset studs, floating floor, either carpet it (cheap) or get acoustic tiling (expensive)


fucken cunt to frame up. but i'll tots do that for you.

Lol - I actually have an Electric kit (and my Acoustic) - As for being Anechoic - faaaark no - A room has got to have some life in it. but yeah - floating floor, acoustic tiles - a Mate of mine (also a drummer) built one - and when fulled closed, I can be blasting away at full pelt and you can have a conversation in the room next door comfortably.

[TheDemonLord]

...you're a drummer?...forgive me for any negative things I may have posted on your opinions...I had no idea of the seriousness or cause of your affliction...

At least I'm not a Bassist....

Also:

[BMWST?]

what you want is (presumably) an anechoic hedron, double skinned walls with offset studs, floating floor, either carpet it (cheap) or get acoustic tiling (expensive)


fucken cunt to frame up. but i'll tots do that for you.

forget the offset studs,just have two completley seperate frames the slight difference in material cost will probabaly be offset by the saving in labour.Keep the gap big enough for the blanket insulation

[Ocean1]

You can still build with single glazing. There is a way.

Of course there is. You simply tell everyone NOT paying to build your house to fuck the fuck off.

Like I said, every time there's a trend of media bleats about an aspect of NZ housing quality/performance the various authorities "fix" the problem by the simple expediency of requiring everyone else to pay for it.

It's well past time we started ignoring both the interfering cretins that think they need some say in how we spend our hard earned cash AND the professional bleeding heart advocates that drive them.

[BMWST?]

Of course there is. You simply tell everyone NOT paying to build your house to fuck the fuck off.

Like I said, every time there's a trend of media bleats about an aspect of NZ housing quality/performance the various authorities "fix" the problem by the simple expediency of requiring everyone else to pay for it.

It's well past time we started ignoring both the interfering cretins that think they need some say in how we spend our hard earned cash AND the professional bleeding heart advocates that drive them.

evry house built has to have an "insulation" matrix done.Double glaazed windows are only part of that solution.For instance a house with very good insulation and relatively small windows will get the same rating as a "normal" house in the same climatic zone.The requirement for double glazing to attain the required rating is dpendent on climateA house in southland may very well require double glazing regardless of attempts to avoid it,a house in Northland may be very easy to avoid double glazing.

[Ocean1]

evry house built has to have an "insulation" matrix done.Double glaazed windows are only part of that solution.For instance a house with very good insulation and relatively small windows will get the same rating as a "normal" house in the same climatic zone.The requirement for double glazing to attain the required rating is dpendent on climateA house in southland may very well require double glazing regardless of attempts to avoid it,a house in Northland may be very easy to avoid double glazing.

Aye. I wasn't completely unaware of how it works, my contention is rather who's fucking business it is to be deciding what to spend my house budget on.

Don't get me wrong, if I were building another house, without official restrictions it would comply with many, probably most of the existing building requirements. It would certainly exceed most of them.

But here's the thing: it would do so with absolutely none of the compliance costs involved, which are simply fucking ludicrous.

Like I said, go add up the total materials and labour cost involved in a particular build. Anything OTHER than that is simply not a build related cost, it's a rort, pure and simple.

[Laava]

Having worked in the past as a supervisor for Jennian as well as building a few houses for a number of franchises, it is quite interesting how many different opinions people have on the topic. Someone said that all the generic building company houses are shit quality, hasn't been my experience, if the client has a very tight budget it can seem that way but the overall std is pretty good. Someone else said that you are stuck with a generic plan, as far as I know only Golden Homes has this regime in place.
The main reasons that people go to a group house builder is, budget( ie, working to a budget, this is usually because they are borrowing from the banks who require lots of paperwork), lack of expertise to design their own home and because of a recommendation.
The glazing thing has been interesting, the financial difference is much closer now that it has become mainstream and once you have lived with it, you probably wouldn't go back to single.
Same thing with building on a cavity, there are more advantages than disadvantages and the extra cost is not as high as you think.
Some of the group housing companies pay their tradies good money as well and for this they get good tradies that will be loyal and do a good job and be efficient.
Of course, the opposite can happen as well, and as happened to me, you can be working for a reputable firm for a while and then all of a sudden they can go tits up owing money to every man and his dog. (David Reid, Whangarei, they did this twice, cunts!)
I am working on a house built in 1908 at the moment and it is amazing how badly they were built(by todays stds) and they stayed standing. The timber itself was pretty good quality but every other aspect is below par.

[BMWST?]

i work for a prenail company.Our margins for large builders are very low.We use the same systems and materials for all our work.It is very rare that we do indentical houses It seems every single one i s different.Even when we are told they are the same we find that they are not...difefrent roof shapes different windows etc.Maybe very SIMILAR floor plans

[Gremlin]

As always, it comes down to the people. Are the bosses screwing down the price of their tradies, forcing them to take shortcuts? Are they paying the right amount, retaining their skilled guys so that corners aren't cut and the house is built well?

I'm in enough of a position to know/see both sides. Bad tradies that can't build to plan and companies screwing the price down so badly the tradie waters down the paint or replaces a specified product with a cheaper substitute...

[russd7]

wow, what a can of worms i opened up here an i didn't even know i started a thread all on my ownsome

anyway, reason i asked is that our boy is building in welcome bay using GJ but the franchisee is his cousin or somit (my son from a different father), things do seem to be going to plan. having said that i also know another GJ franchisee who is dodgy as fuck, i would drink with the prick but wouldn't trust him as far as i could kick him ever since my sis caught him in their bed with anudder female (my sis used other words to describe her that even i would not use) and being she was married to the slimy prick and she is not the most open minded of women then it did not make her happy. anyway that makes one good GJ franchisee (happy clappers they are) and one bad GJ franchisee (the spawn of Satan if my sister is correct)

[husaberg]

I'm just going to say - at some point I'd love to build my own house.

Custom Drum rooms with raised floors, doubke doors and acoustic insulation aren't coming up in Trademe too often.

Maybe try sex dungeon as a search preference

[Akzle]

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But here's the thing: it would do so with absolutely none of the compliance costs involved, which are simply fucking ludicrous.

Like I said, go add up the total materials and labour cost involved in a particular build. Anything OTHER than that is simply not a build related cost, it's a rort, pure and simple.

you should vote about it.

i mean really. who the fuck are you to question the ways of your duly elected betters?