Stupid World

[mashman]

We actually don't, while we have a lot of smart automation capability the level and quantity of specialisation required to do what you are asking is not available at this time, I'm guessing you've not had much to do with production automation? I think the tipping point will be automated transport, for self drive trucks to be viable we will need to have acheived not just rote automation (which is where we are now) but adaptive and intelligent automation. In any case, I asked what it would look like when we are at that level of automation, not when it would be available.

That's a massive cop-out, clearly, you often have to put some work in to be the change. I'm well aware of TVP thanks, they just reinforce the point that a handout for large infrastructure investment is not the way to get things started.

Excellent, make sure to let me know when I get on the list, I'll look forward to not have to respond to your drivelous cop-outs about money fucking up all your plans...

We actually do. But as per usual your vision is about as myopic as that fella that needs a haircut. It's merely a question of logistics and choosing to produce that which serves us and not that which makes someone rich. As such, a great variety of production automation won't be required. Transport. Pah! Those who can will be working from home and will barely use their car etc... The number of jobs that currently exist and that do not serve us that will simply vanish, will create a glut of manpower. As such, the world will be their oyster with free education of the highest order. They'll understand that there are jobs that need to be done and they will do them so as to remain in a society that isn't limited by money. There's also plenty of software solutions available for freeing up the office admin drudge (the current #1 job killer). Fo sho AI is going to blow our minds, but if we aren't relatively civilised by that point in time, I highly doubt that AI is going to be available for anything useful, especially if it means even more jobs lost... yada yada yada.



I won't let you know. There'll be no point. And it ain't just my plans. Again, something you fail to understand given your complete lack of vision and inability to shift perception. Dude, shut the full cup.

[mashman]

Actually the one thing in common was people, many civilizations collapsed without a medium of exchange...

None of them had sweet robots or self driving cars either.

Cant have one without the other Name 1.

On the balance of probability. But how do you know for sure?

[bogan]

We actually do. But as per usual your vision is about as myopic as that fella that needs a haircut. It's merely a question of logistics and choosing to produce that which serves us and not that which makes someone rich. As such, a great variety of production automation won't be required. Transport. Pah! Those who can will be working from home and will barely use their car etc... The number of jobs that currently exist and that do not serve us that will simply vanish, will create a glut of manpower. As such, the world will be their oyster with free education of the highest order. They'll understand that there are jobs that need to be done and they will do them so as to remain in a society that isn't limited by money. There's also plenty of software solutions available for freeing up the office admin drudge (the current #1 job killer). Fo sho AI is going to blow our minds, but if we aren't relatively civilised by that point in time, I highly doubt that AI is going to be available for anything useful, especially if it means even more jobs lost... yada yada yada.



I won't let you know. There'll be no point. And it ain't just my plans. Again, something you fail to understand given your complete lack of vision and inability to shift perception. Dude, shut the full cup.

Have you any evidence that we do have the automation tech then? To continue with the transportation example, we must be able to automate that (in terms of technical ability), in order to automate all the other shit you talk about; I simply used this as an example since it is a massive industry, so offers a massive payoff, and is already attracting a huge amount of resources which are simply not limited by cashflow. That you are incapable of understanding the significance of this, suggests you think the removal of money will somehow mean it gets replaced with wizards who can do things not technologicaly viable today.

Cop out² eh

[bogan]

Cant have one without the other Name 1.

On the balance of probability. But how do you know for sure?

Well you don't see many cave men around anymore...

[Katman]

..... many civilizations collapsed without a medium of exchange....

Name some.

[bogan]

Well you don't see many cave men around anymore...

Name some.

Someone already did, called him Steve by the looks

[BuzzardNZ]

Someone already did, called him Steve by the looks

or Ed, come on dude, admit it, u miss the cunt ( i do )

[Katman]

Someone already did, called him Steve by the looks

So once again, you're quick to make sweeping statements that you're unable to substantiate.

How predictabłe.

[bogan]

or Ed, come on dude, admit it, u miss the cunt ( i do )

Hmmm, not so much tbh.

So once again, you're quick to make sweeping statements that you're unable to substantiate.

How predictabłe.

So, you think cavemen societies didn't collapse? Or do you expect collapsed societies from before the barter system through currency revolution were good at keeping historical records to substantiate their presence, un-use of exchange medium, and demise?
Just what is it you expect me to substantiate here? The only societies to ever not use a medium of exchange have died out; it's kind of self evident init

[Katman]

So, you think cavemen societies didn't collapse? Or do you expect collapsed societies from before the barter system through currency revolution were good at keeping historical records to substantiate their presence, un-use of exchange medium, and demise?
Just what is it you expect me to substantiate here? The only societies to ever not use a medium of exchange have died out; it's kind of self evident init

'Many civilisations' doesn't equal 'cavemen'.

[bogan]

'Many civilisations' doesn't equal 'cavemen'.

Do you have anything to substantiate that sweeping statement

[Katman]

Do you have anything to substantiate that sweeping statement

Typical retarded cunt response.

[bogan]

Typical retarded cunt response.

Jeez, now you're really not putting any effort in, to just summarise what your post is to turn out like that

[TheDemonLord]

Have you any evidence that we do have the automation tech then? To continue with the transportation example, we must be able to automate that (in terms of technical ability), in order to automate all the other shit you talk about; I simply used this as an example since it is a massive industry, so offers a massive payoff, and is already attracting a huge amount of resources which are simply not limited by cashflow. That you are incapable of understanding the significance of this, suggests you think the removal of money will somehow mean it gets replaced with wizards who can do things not technologicaly viable today.

Cop out² eh

From a purely tech point of view:

I recently did an automation of building a particular flavour of Web server and thought I'd add some perspective for the thread:


time it took to do all the 26 pages worth of steps manually manually - about 2-3 hours, give or take
time it took to write an automation script to programatically do all the work in that 26 pages: probably about 50-60 hours all up.

given that this is going to be used to deploy ~10 web servers initially - you might ask why we automated it - and the answer was that in that 26 pages of steps to fully set up said server, there are 26 pages of steps for potential Human error.

Now, I should note (for those that care) that the way I went about automating it was not particularly elegant - I'll explain

An elegant way to automate (for a given setting/value) would be something like this:

Check particular setting
if(
setting = value, then exit
)
else(
set setting to value, then exit
)
catch error(
If error message = 0x10 then append to log "The requested setting was not present, if installing a new version of product, check to see if location has change)
If error message = 0x03 then append to log "This script needs to be run with administrator/root privledges, please re-run with appropriate permissions)
)
exit

which simplified means that the script checks a particular setting, if it isn't set to the right value, it sets it to the right value then moves on, if it gets an error code, it interprets the error code to output a useful, human understandable error message

However, my automation script (because it is only ever going to be applied to a virgin server build) doesn't do any of that, it simply clobbers the setting, assumes it has works and carries on:

Set setting to Value and exit

which as you can see, is less physical code and therefore quicker to write, however it has some downsides that if any of the assumed initial input parameters are changed, then it will fail and error.

Now comes the point for the Closet Marxists who think Automation will solve all our problems:

In the absence of Money, is it going to make writing automation code any quicker?
Is it going to enable the common man or woman to write some scripts or code in order to complete a complex series of tasks?
Does the common man or woman even have the ability to think through all the actual and possible steps in even simple day-to-day tasks?

In fact - here's a video that does a really good demonstration of how complex writing a procedure to make something as simple as a Peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich can be, to highlight the above point (with the Dad doing an excellent job of interpreting the commands as a computer or non-AI system would do:



Just think of this - The robot ASIMO was developed over a period of about twenty years - and whilst extremely impressive - it's capabilities are matched by the average Toddler.

Yeah. Removing money will Totally fix all the problems....

[Brian d marge]

the abbos were doing quite well for a few years
So were the American Indians
the Inuit

half of Africa

Hell even the welsh ....( ok I made that bit up ....)

not a penny between em , til the east India co ltd showed up ........