Stupid World

[bogan]

*self identification of technological illiteracy*

To summarise, for consumers, linux is fucking great at doing linux things (downloading, installing, and configuring distros), at best it is equal to other OS's for basic tasks (web browsing, emails and shit, office products) but good for fuck all else. Axkzle and other linux fanbois fail to recognise the desires, choices, and functions of wider society, which is a remarkably similar to those who despise money while failing to recognise how shit actually works.

[Brian d marge]

Compare them for what, Lice? Dead children? Lifespan? Absolute poverty?

By all means, go right ahead.

I'm game if you are up for it ?

[Ocean1]

I'm game if you are up for it ?

You can track lice by prevalence of typhus, bubonic plague etc. Don't think I need to reference historic rates there do I?

Dead children: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mor...ound-the-world

Lifespan: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expe...roved-globally

Poverty: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/d...hare-1820-2015

But I'm sure that if you dig deep enough there's probably some advantage in an ugly, brutish and short life. No illiterate fuckwits whining about how The Man suppresses them sounds attractive.

[TheDemonLord]

again showing your lack of comprehendo. X is inbetween the colonel and GDE/KDE (or any of heother plethora of DE that YOU CAN CHOOSE. (and config to balls)

X is a GUI Framework, and it's filled with AIDS, and whilst there are many many alternatives and you can indeed customize them, Put it this way - most people buy a Car or a Bike, as opposed to building one from scratch or as a Kit Car.

Sure, you can customize a Kit Car more, and there are a Plethora of bits YOU CAN CHOOSE - but most people purchase a car for the immediate function it can provides - Just like Windows. Again, If Linux was as truly superior in this regard (as you claim) then more people would use it, they don't because most people who have used a Linux Gui go "Eugh!". In fact I remember for a while around 2008-2010 that Dick Smith, Harvey Norman and PBtech were selling PCs prebuilt with Ubuntu - they don't any more - that should be a hint....

ehh, that's software. working in spite of,Not because, underlying OS

AD and Windows, with MS Exchange - it's the Holy Trinity - point is, you can't run AD on Linux, so if you want AD (and all the lovely features therein) you are running Windows - and that, my Dear Akzle is why so many businesses run Windows.

no, no

Yes and Yes - there are people who like .Net and people who like ASP and until the advent of .Net Core - if you wanted that, you need Windows.

no

Yes - that one is factually correct - Windows has the most compatible programs for it.

hahahahahahahaha evr called m$??

Yes. Multiple times. Have you ever tried to call Linus Torvald?

dunno about it. but i doubt it.

MSSQL has the least number of Vulnerabilities and Data breaches consistently when compared to MySQL, Oracle and Postgres.

so you try and disprove my point... by proving it?

Doom wasn't developed by the Open Source community.... That's my point, hence it was in a consistent state before being ported. Interestingly enough, now it's in the public domain - we have Zdoom, Jdoom etc. etc. all thanks to Open Source.

there are STACKS of distros, not 2. and the devs do what's familiar, and what they're interested in, without bein confined by hommosexual jews.

Which is entirely the point I'm making - Devs do what Devs want to do, with no restriction - the result is forks, half developed applications, Applications which are called differently depending on the Distros.

no, they really dont, they just cripple your choices, which doesn't result in consistency, it results in gaycode.

Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive:

If there is no choice - there is perfect consistency - everything is the same
If there is Infinite choice, there is perfect inconsistency - nothing in the same

If I jump onto just about any Windows box - I can be guaranteed that notepad is installed, Jump onto any Linux box - is it Vi? Vim? Nano? Emacs (just joking - it's never Emacs)?

That consistency means I don't have to spend 5 minutes faffing around guessing which text editor they happen to have installed.

eh. no. i've seen every release of MS softwares. from DOS, which one of the 4 less-shit things they've done. and they all suffer the same things (10 is it's own special breed of jewry) - they're piled on top of shit code.

Seen - or Used? 2 very different realities.

but that experience is still poo. and again "cos we always have" isn't really justification

When it comes to end user experience, it's not an argumentum ad populum to say that the OS that has the greatest numbers of End Users must have the best End user Experience - which is.......

WINDOWS!

[TheDemonLord]

To summarise, for consumers, linux is fucking great at doing linux things (downloading, installing, and configuring distros), at best it is equal to other OS's for basic tasks (web browsing, emails and shit, office products) but good for fuck all else. Axkzle and other linux fanbois fail to recognise the desires, choices, and functions of wider society, which is a remarkably similar to those who despise money while failing to recognise how shit actually works.

That's a bit harsh - Linux has a time and place - for example this site almost certainly runs on a Linux web server (since it is written in PHP) - Apache is still the leading Web Server, although IIS is Second I believe.

Linux is also amazing for closed systems (Smart Phones, Tables, Hardware appliances etc.) that need to be very small, with minimal hardware requirements.

I like Linux, I like Windows.

[bogan]

That's a bit harsh - Linux has a time and place - for example this site almost certainly runs on a Linux web server (since it is written in PHP) - Apache is still the leading Web Server, although IIS is Second I believe.

Linux is also amazing for closed systems (Smart Phones, Tables, Hardware appliances etc.) that need to be very small, with minimal hardware requirements.

I like Linux, I like Windows.

Guess I should have specified PC consumers, ie, those which are in direct competition with win 7/8/10

[Scuba_Steve]

Best GUI experience (Gnome, KDE and X are shit)

Sorry no, IMO it got shittier after Snow Leopard but still OS X remains the best GUI experience bar none

M$ simply enforce consistency, and the so called fact, is actually Opinion, so that DOES negate your point. That and the fact (actual facts, not Azkle opinion "facts") that Windows is still 90+% of the Market share for the Desktop OS market - if Linux was as great as you make it out to be, why is it only about 1.6% of the desktop Market?

It's pretty much reversed on the mobile market tho; remember alot of MS's market share is due to the reliance on SW that only works on Windows, not because it's a good OS.
Course alot of Linux's shortcomings in the consumer market is it's fragmentation as you mention but the Win SW reliance doesn't help it either

BSODs - Yeah, I've had a shit tonne, wonky Graphics card drivers, OverClocking fun and games, random "Fuck you" BSODs - however most of those were from everything pre Windows 7 - now sure, I've Bluescreened every release of Windows, but Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 - I can't even remember the last time I had a full Blue screen/Black Screen.

I had one the other day when Win10 did one of it's forced mandatory updates, it sent the PC into an infinite reboot loop with the Blue Screen being as far as it'd get on startup... Aren't offical windows updates great! Even better now they're automagic & forced

[Akzle]

X is a GUI Framework, and it's filled with AIDS, and whilst there are many many alternatives and you can indeed customize them, Put it this way - most people buy a Car or a Bike, as opposed to building one from scratch or as a Kit Car.

Sure, you can customize a Kit Car more, and there are a Plethora of bits YOU CAN CHOOSE - but most people purchase a car for the immediate function it can provides - Just like Windows. Again, If Linux was as truly superior in this regard (as you claim) then more people would use it, they don't because most people who have used a Linux Gui go "Eugh!". In fact I remember for a while around 2008-2010 that Dick Smith, Harvey Norman and PBtech were selling PCs prebuilt with Ubuntu - they don't any more - that should be a hint....



AD and Windows, with MS Exchange - it's the Holy Trinity - point is, you can't run AD on Linux, so if you want AD (and all the lovely features therein) you are running Windows - and that, my Dear Akzle is why so many businesses run Windows.



Yes and Yes - there are people who like .Net and people who like ASP and until the advent of .Net Core - if you wanted that, you need Windows.



Yes - that one is factually correct - Windows has the most compatible programs for it.



Yes. Multiple times. Have you ever tried to call Linus Torvald?



MSSQL has the least number of Vulnerabilities and Data breaches consistently when compared to MySQL, Oracle and Postgres.




Doom wasn't developed by the Open Source community.... That's my point, hence it was in a consistent state before being ported. Interestingly enough, now it's in the public domain - we have Zdoom, Jdoom etc. etc. all thanks to Open Source.



Which is entirely the point I'm making - Devs do what Devs want to do, with no restriction - the result is forks, half developed applications, Applications which are called differently depending on the Distros.



Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive:

If there is no choice - there is perfect consistency - everything is the same
If there is Infinite choice, there is perfect inconsistency - nothing in the same

If I jump onto just about any Windows box - I can be guaranteed that notepad is installed, Jump onto any Linux box - is it Vi? Vim? Nano? Emacs (just joking - it's never Emacs)?

That consistency means I don't have to spend 5 minutes faffing around guessing which text editor they happen to have installed.



Seen - or Used? 2 very different realities.



When it comes to end user experience, it's not an argumentum ad populum to say that the OS that has the greatest numbers of End Users must have the best End user Experience - which is.......

WINDOWS!

aaaaand you went full Bog-level retard.
have fun with that, chump.

[bogan]

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aaaaand you went full Bog-level retard.
have fun with that, chump.

Pffft, you wouldn't catch me getting in fucking 47 split quotes like that.

[TheDemonLord]

Sorry no, IMO it got shittier after Snow Leopard but still OS X remains the best GUI experience bar none

I honestly cannot stand OSX - So I'd have to disagree :P

It's pretty much reversed on the mobile market tho; remember alot of MS's market share is due to the reliance on SW that only works on Windows, not because it's a good OS.
Course alot of Linux's shortcomings in the consumer market is it's fragmentation as you mention but the Win SW reliance doesn't help it either

I'd have to ask the question why the software only works on Windows - I'd suggest that a company has to support it's product, and the large variance and fragmentation means that a large number simply don't want to open that Pandoras box.

I had one the other day when Win10 did one of it's forced mandatory updates, it sent the PC into an infinite reboot loop with the Blue Screen being as far as it'd get on startup... Aren't offical windows updates great! Even better now they're automagic & forced

Yeah - Forced updates are a really contentious issue - on the one hand - who are you to tell me when to restart my PC, on the other hand, users don't do updates unless you force them, and those that don't do updates then complain when their system is compromised due to a known vulnerability that you patched 6 months ago.

Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

[TheDemonLord]

aaaaand you went full Bog-level retard.
have fun with that, chump.

I do. Afterall - it's what I do for a day job...

[Akzle]

I do. Afterall - it's what I do for a day job...

i didn't realise "bog level retard" was a formal job description.
though that does kinda clarify a few things about aucklanders.

[Katman]

i didn't realise "bog level retard" was a formal job description.
though that does kinda clarify a few things about aucklanders.

And vaccines.

[TheDemonLord]

i didn't realise "bog level retard" was a formal job description.
though that does kinda clarify a few things about aucklanders.

Well, if you think you can do any better, put your (lack of) money where your mouth is.

[TheDemonLord]

And vaccines.

Yah know Katman, I'd be really careful about making cutting Inferences about other peoples Intellect and/or Mental state, who are discussing a topic that by your own admission is beyond your comprehension.

Jus' Sayin'.

But in case you are interested in attempting to expand your Horizons:

https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutoria...untu-desktop#0