Any one have Round-up shares?

[Honest Andy]

I've never used Tordon, my local supplier sells me a Grazon equivalent. It has shorter withholding and persistance than Tordon but still costs more than glyphos. It works well on gorse and blackberry in the paddock. Also knocks off other things too like wandering jew and ivy if I add surfactant, and sometimes I add some to the glyphos that I use on the metal drive because glyphos doesn't take down clover very well.
Gorse is in the same family as clover so that's why it doesn't work all that well for gorse without surfactant and multiple applications.

Personally I'd rather use fewer applications of the correct poison than more applications of a poison that is only partially effective.

It leaves more time for putting miles on the scooter

[Akzle]

Neutralises in the soil and cost effective

mmmmmmm no.

[husaberg]

I've never used Tordon, my local supplier sells me a Grazon equivalent. It has shorter withholding and persistance than Tordon but still costs more than glyphos.:

Tordon and Grazon have the same active ingrediants.
Triclopyr and Picloram. they are both Dow products
Grazon is more diluted than Tordon (well it was last time i looked)

[Honest Andy]

Tordon and Grazon have the same active ingrediants.
Triclopyr and Picloram. they are both Dow products
Grazon is more diluted than Tordon (well it was last time i looked)

No. That's wrong.

[Katman]

No. That's wrong.

The stupid fuck usually is.

[Honest Andy]

The stupid fuck usually is.

Oi! This thread was hijacked ages ago and now you have nothing to add here.

Besides it wasn't entirely wrong....

Actually yeah it was....

[russd7]

brush killer
ACTIVE INGREDIENT
:
Contains
100 g/litre picloram
and
8 g/
litre
aminopyralid as amine salts
; and
300
g/litre triclopyr as the butoxyethyl ester in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate.
Also contains 367 g/litre diethylene glycol.

grazon
CTIVE INGREDIENT:
Contains
600 g/litre triclopyr as the butoxy ethyl ester in the form of an em
ulsifiable
concentrate.

both dow agro products.

i been out of the industry for a few year now but i know there used to be some generic brushkillers out there.

roundup will work on gorse but need pretty much 100% coverage but there is a lot less residual effect, escort is better but still need better than 90% coverage but again less residual effect.

brushkiller is the best but has at least 6mnths residual on brassicas and legumes but won't knock the grass

not hard to go find the SDS or even labels for these products

[husaberg]

No. That's wrong.

Not historically while some formulations of Grazon now contain no picloram, some still do, depending on either the market model code or the Year of manufacture.
Its just like Tordon in that it has evolved in formulation fron 2-4-5t to 2-4-DB and picloram, to picloram and triclopyr.
Dow just keeps using the same brand name and changes the formulation.
Until not that long ago i still had some "245t" Tordon brushkiller.

[Honest Andy]

Not historically while some formulations of Grazon now contain no picloram, some still do, depending on either the market model code or the Year of manufacture.
Its just like Tordon in that it has evolved in formulation fron 2-4-5t to 2-4-DB and picloram, to picloram and triclopyr.
Dow just keeps using the same brand name and changes the formulation.
Until not that long ago i still had some "245t" Tordon brushkiller.

Oh. Sure. Historically. I see.
Interesting I suppose. But completely irrelevant.

Previous post has current formulations. Check them out. And the withholding periods. Just for your education really

[husaberg]

Oh. Sure. Historically. I see.
Interesting I suppose. But completely irrelevant.

Previous post has current formulations. Check them out. And the withholding periods. Just for your education really

Not just Historically. also currently as i said depending on the market the formulation changes quite often
next formulation could be back to what it was just a couple of seasons ago just like this current one.
http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc
http://www.dowagro.com/en-au/austral...a#.WYg-dbpuLTA

but don't let that get in the way of your troll.

[Honest Andy]

Not just Historically. also currently as i said depending on the market the formulation changes quite often
next formulation could be back to what it was just a couple of seasons ago just like this current one.
http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc
http://www.dowagro.com/en-au/austral...a#.WYg-dbpuLTA

Cool cool. Grazon "Extra". Different product again.

[husaberg]

Cool cool. Grazon "Extra". Different product again.

AS is tordon 50D, tordon brushkiller, tordon bruskiller XT, Tordon gold Tordon 2g and they are just the few i can remember off the top of my head.
AS i have said formulations change from year to year market to market.
Grazon has traditionally been a lower price point Dow product aimed at people that only buy on price rather than ecomonics of use.
looks like the last few years they have removed the picloram, likely to try and maintain the price point against the generics.

[Honest Andy]

AS is tordon 50D, tordon brushkiller, tordon bruskiller XT, Tordon gold Tordon 2g and they are just the few i can remember off the top of my head.
AS i have said formulations change from year to year market to market.
Grazon has traditionally been a lower price point Dow product aimed at people that only buy on price rather than ecomonics of use.
looks like the last few years they have removed the picloram, likely to try and maintain the price point against the generics.

Ok. So now you've done a bit of research you can see why I said you were wrong to say that grazon and tordon are the same.

[husaberg]

Ok. So now you've done a bit of research you can see why I said you were wrong to say that grazon and tordon are the same.

So lets see You claimed they were not Dow products.
You also claimed i was wrong in stating they have the same active ingredients when it seems like they have only very recently changed one version of grazon to one of the two Tordon active ingredients.
I have two words for you i will give you a hint (as you are clearly of Katmanesk intelligence) the second word is OFF

[Honest Andy]

So lets see You claimed they were not Dow products.
You also claimed i was wrong in stating they have the same active ingredients when it seems like they have only very recently changed one version of grazon to one of the two Tordon active ingredients.
I have two words for you i will give you a hint (as you are clearly of Katmanesk intelligence) the second word is OFF

nup. you still owe me a beer