Nicky Hager

[Katman]

Anyway...
Hager wasn't there....
Nor where you.

A handful of extremely highly trained NZ fighting elite were the only ones who where.

Plus the villagers who told their story to Jon Stephenson.

I think you'll find they were there too.

[nzspokes]

Innocent.....

What if back on the day somebody would have killed innocent little baby Adolf....?

Anyway...
Hager wasn't there....
Nor where you.

A handful of extremely highly trained NZ fighting elite were the only ones who where.

Pretty piss weak to second guess them now from the couch.

Especially by people who could barely survive a day in NZ if there would be an electricity outage....

Knowing a few of the Sand Berret crowd, its funny to watch the couch soldiers go on about this kind of thing. They run into situations that most run away from.

[Katman]

Knowing a few of the Sand Berret crowd, its funny to watch the couch soldiers go on about this kind of thing. They run into situations that most run away from.

If you're so sure of the integrity of your imaginary 'Sand Berret' (sic) friends you should welcome the opportunity of an investigation to clear their name.

What would you stand to lose?

[nzspokes]

If you're so sure of the integrity of your imaginary 'Sand Berret' (sic) friends you should welcome the opportunity of an investigation to clear their name.

What would you stand to lose?

I dont stand to lose a thing shit for brains. I was not there.

[bogan]

If you're so sure of the integrity of your imaginary 'Sand Berret' (sic) friends you should welcome the opportunity of an investigation to clear their name.

What would you stand to lose?

Don't be so naive, even an investigation which finds nothing damages reputation. There's no point legitimising the ravings of a 'journo' once again trying to cash in on outrage during an election year when there is fuck all to back it. If conspiracy fuckwits like yourself fail to even articulate the reasons and evidence such an investigation should be launched, the book is clearly full of worthless drivel. For the same reason you won't spend the time and money getting a real education, we won't waste ours on these drivilous conspiracy theories your type spew forth every day before gish galloping on to the next.

[Maha]

I'm sure Pritch will be along presently.

Is your definition of presently the same as the rest of us?

[Katman]

Don't be so naive, even an investigation which finds nothing damages reputation.

The only thing naive here is your belief in the notion that there's 'nothing to see here'.

[Woodman]

Why is hagers book seen as gospel to some? is it selective hearing?

[Katman]

Why is hagers book seen as gospel to some? is it selective hearing?

The book exposes serious allegations that need to be investigated.

I certainly don't see it as 'gospel'.

[bogan]

The only thing naive here is your belief in the notion that there's 'nothing to see here'.

There's no point legitimising the ravings of a 'journo' once again trying to cash in on outrage during an election year when there is fuck all to back it. If conspiracy fuckwits like yourself fail to even articulate the reasons and evidence such an investigation should be launched, the book is clearly full of worthless drivel. For the same reason you won't spend the time and money getting a real education, we won't waste ours on these drivilous conspiracy theories your type spew forth every day before gish galloping on to the next.

[Katman]

There's no point legitimising the ravings of a 'journo' once again trying to cash in on outrage during an election year when there is fuck all to back it.

I doubt these lawyers would be taking this to the High Court if they had 'fuck all to back it'.

[bogan]

I doubt these lawyers would be taking this to the High Court if they had 'fuck all to back it'.

If conspiracy fuckwits like yourself fail to even articulate the reasons and evidence such an investigation should be launched, the book is clearly full of worthless drivel. For the same reason you won't spend the time and money getting a real education, we won't waste ours on these drivilous conspiracy theories your type spew forth every day before gish galloping on to the next.

[husaberg]

The book exposes serious allegations that need to be investigated.

I certainly don't see it as 'gospel'.

Yet When the book came out you said it had facts that needed to be investigated ...............

[Katman]

Yet When the book came out you said it had facts that needed to be intestigated ...............

Seriously dude, you should take Akzle's advice.

[pritch]

Katman, Does this qualify as presently? I was anxiously awaiting your book review but if you did one I must've missed it.

Having just read the thread thus far, and having seen the lawyers on the news, I have the strong impression that this is all about "default settings".

Katman wants an inquiry. Katman always wants an inquiry, doesn't matter what the topic is, he wants answers to the questions. Never mind what questions.
That's his default setting.

Machiavelli in his book 'The Prince' counsels "be well advised". He says that you never ask generals if you should go to war, generals always answer yes to that. That's their default setting.

Using the same logic you should never ask lawyers if you should go to court. Lawyers will always answer yes to that. That's their default setting.
Except that nobody asked these lawyers anything. They have decided on their own to go to court. For me to concede them any credibility at all they need to doing this pro bono. Otherwise they give the impression they are just chasing the gravy train.

I'm pessimistic that this court action will achieve anything worthwhile, but there is a certain potential for ummm entertainment(?). The Army will probably try an "operational security" smoke screen, but their brass had better hope National win the election. National were in power at the time so to an extent their interests are aligned with that of the Army. Not so Labour or the Greens.

Britain has had a problem with ambulance chasing lawyers going to Iraq and seeking cases to take against the troops and the government. I do not support the shooting of prisoners or unarmed non-combatants, but I might find myself sympathetic toward troops who shot the lawyers.

This case bears certain similarities to what has happened in the UK. Whether that's a good thing may come out in court. Or not.