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[TheDemonLord]

FWiw. ....you surely must be aware that the ole US of A is guilty of every single one of above mentioned examples of tyranny. .

So according to you it would be ok to go in and destroy them....
Scary way of "thinking"

Certainly the US has had some shady spots in it's history - but Genocide? Possibly you could consider the Indian wars and some of the actions getting close to a form of Genocide, but I missed the part where the US built gas chambers (Actually they are Showers - Katman told me...) - not to mention most of the actions that could be argued were akin to genocide happened some 150+ years ago

Revocation of basic Rights? Although my Knowledge of the US constitution is spotty at best, they've had the right to free speech enshrined in the Constitution since 1791 (okay I did have to look up the date) and before you bring it up - Jim Crow laws were at the State and local level - never at the federal level

Execution without trial for trivial offences - Unless you want to go far enough back to when you could be hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, with the exceptions of a few isolated instances - I can't remember the last time someone was killed with a Sarin pellet for saying nasty things about the President.

The others - whilst I acknowledge that the US has done them, we need to compare apples with apples - look at what Unit 731 did, look at what the Stasi did, Can you tell me that the US (for all it's ills) is even in the same league as those 2?

[Woodman]

Any decent fucking human.

You are living in a fools paradise......

[Katman]

Certainly the US has had some shady spots in it's history - but Genocide? Possibly you could consider the Indian wars and some of the actions getting close to a form of Genocide, but I missed the part where the US built gas chambers.....

That is quite possibly the most retarded statement you've ever made on here (and you've made plenty to choose from).

Does it only count as genocide if it involves gas chambers?

[Crasherfromwayback]

You are living in a fools paradise......

And you're a simple fuckwit that no doubt voted National thinking you're gonna get rich one day.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Certainly the US has had some shady spots in it's history - but Genocide?

That is quite possibly the most retarded statement you've ever made on here (and you've made plenty to choose from).

Does it only count as genocide if it involves gas chambers?

Wonder if the cunt has ever heard of Napalm?

[Katman]

Wonder if the cunt has ever heard of Napalm?

Heard of it? The fuckwit is probably about to lecture us on it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Heard of it? The fuckwit is probably about to lecture us on it.

Wish some cunt would give him a nice wee shower in it.

[Woodman]

And you're a simple fuckwit that no doubt voted National thinking you're gonna get rich one day.

I voted National, it was the right choice for me. Presumably you voted for the party that was right for you and made you feel good, or put another way, there was something in it for you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I voted National, it was the right choice for me. Presumably you voted for the party that was right for you and made you feel good, or put another way, there was something in it for you.

I do actually pity you. A man that cannot do something for fellow man, without expecting something in return...is a very sad cunt indeed. No wonder you voted National, and how easy was that to pick eh?

[TheDemonLord]

The same Somalia that General Wesley Clark later listed as one of the countries the USA planned to 'take out'?

You should probably take a closer look at the full transcript of that interview.

You might learn a thing or two.

Good.

I'm so glad that you are predictable to a T.

So, the reason for my question - barely a year before Rwanda happened - there was the Battle of Mogadishu - where a number of Helicopters were shot down, Delta Force operatives died, Hollywood made a movie etc. etc. For the US it was an embarrassing defeat, wildly unpopular and resulted in the Deaths of American Soldiers.

And now a year later - we have another African country (like Somalia), where there is a UN prescence (like Somalia) with a long history of tribal warfare/civil conflict (like Somalia).

So, Let's now play a little Hypothetical game:

Let's assume that the US did intervene in Rwanda - would people like you be grateful and supportive that the US had just precision bombed a load of villagers, huddling in Mud huts.

As per above - like fuck you would be.

In fact, if they HAD gone in, claiming Genocide - I'd be willing to bet that you'd subscribe wholeheartedly to a Conspiracy theory that says it wasn't really Genocide, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary

For people like you - you will never accept any action by the US: If they don't act its:

They didn't lift a finger because there was nothing in it for them.

And if they do act:

And there's a far greater risk that America jumping in boots and all will just create yet another clusterfuck.

You've created a perfect Catch 22.

Next up, you've got the moderates, and after Grenada, the first Gulf War, Mogadishu etc. The Moderates would be prattling their same tune "Maybe we should just mind our own business" - which in of itself isn't always a bad thing, but this must be weighed against what is the cost of doing nothing.

There are some excellent lectures that Jordan Peterson does on this subject in terms of analysing archetypal stories - which when boiled down to the simplest form is this:

Society is always in a state of decay, and so Chaos is an ever present threat because of this Decay, all that is needed for Chaos to enter, is for the Wise King to be willfully blind to what he should have been paying attention to.

Rwanda is a perfect, real world example of this - of what happens when Chaos is allowed in due to willfull blindness.
So is the Rise of Hitler
So is the spread of Communism
etc.etc.

(in the remote chance you are interested - one of the lectures that covers this subject is a 2 part lecture he does on the Lion King - which follows the same pattern, there is another one where he talks about the Egyptian myth of Horus, Osiris and Set - which has the same pattern)

Then you've got the last group who for better or worse think that every door should be kicked in and every bad country brought to justice - they are always going to support it, but they are a minority.

So you see - There really was nothing to be gained from intervening - mainly thanks to people like yourself. All economics and resources aside, a War can be 'popular' if it is seen as a just intervention - but as we've explored and determined - no armed intervention by the US is ever Justified - is it Katman?

Even if that means letting Genocide happen - there is NEVER a scenario you would accept where you said "Actually, maybe we should go in and do something"

[TheDemonLord]

That is quite possibly the most retarded statement you've ever made on here (and you've made plenty to choose from).

Does it only count as genocide if it involves gas chambers?

No, it only counts if it is a systematic rounding up and executing people based solely on their race.

[TheDemonLord]

Wonder if the cunt has ever heard of Napalm?

I like Katman's answer the best:

Heard of it? The fuckwit is probably about to lecture us on it.

But as above - indiscriminate use of Weaponary, no matter how barbaric and callous =/= genocide.

[Woodman]

I do actually pity you. A man that cannot do something for fellow man, without expecting something in return...is a very sad cunt indeed. No wonder you voted National, and how easy was that to pick eh?

when did you last do something for a "fellow man" that gave you not one hint of satisfaction whatsoever?

[Katman]

Even if that means letting Genocide happen - there is NEVER a scenario you would accept where you said "Actually, maybe we should go in and do something"

Someone needs to give Indonesia a smack in the fucking nose for their actions in West Papua.

I'm not holding my breath though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

when did you last do something for a "fellow man" that gave you not one hint of satisfaction whatsoever?

I was polite to quite a few rude cunts that came into our shop. Went out of my way to help them, despite them being fucking rude queer cunts. You?