The 2017 Election Thread

[Ocean1]

User pays is a corner stone of your own ideology, is it not.
Surely if they have more users they can pay for it themselves.
After all they are the users of the roads not the rest of the country
Why should the rest of the country fund Aucklands poor planning and allocation of resources and inhability to use public transport

I haven't seen anything which suggests they get more than their share of road funding.

But I'm encouraged by your retreat from the socialist ideology of govt control of resources.

[Voltaire]

We do get to spend more time using our roads though

If I'm working in the city I have a choice of:
Train, Bus, scooter/bike or car.

The scooter/bike option takes me about 30 minutes and I can get free parking.
The train takes about 1 hour 10 minutes including the walk.
took the bus once about 10 years ago and it took forever, but their lanes are good for the scooter/bike option
Car....nope.

Auckland is only going to get more densely populated and driving South on Friday at 7:30 the traffic was bumper to bumper as far south as Pukekoke on ramp.

I liked Feilding, had a pub, Thai takeaways and supermarket. I could get used to wearing gumboots all day.

[Ocean1]

Car....nope.

Aye, I read somewhere that the average speed on Orks motorways was 56kph.

Light rail is the solution, but it's extreeeeemly expensive to retrofit to an existing city if you didn't have the common sense to do it as it grew.

Maybe if we stopped working for other people's families we could start working for some infrastructure that benefits everyone instead.

[Katman]

Its not a lack of time on your behalf, its a prfound lack of intelligence.

So many pots, so many kettles.

[nerrrd]

I haven't seen anything which suggests they get more than their share of road funding.

But I'm encouraged by your retreat from the socialist ideology of govt control of resources.

See that's what I thought.

Yes i did provide the evidence


The resaon the money going to auckland is they are clearly useless



Yes i have you just can't read a graph

Its not a lack of time on your behalf, its a prfound lack of intelligence.

Well thanks for explaining it all so clearly (that was sarcasm, by the way, not that I need to explain that to you with your prfound abundance of intelligence.)

[husaberg]

See that's what I thought.



Well thanks for explaining it all so clearly (that was sarcasm, by the way, not that I need to explain that to you with your prfound abundance of intelligence.)

The problem is you don't actuallly think at all you just decide you know the answer, then belligerently refuse to ever consider whatever is shown to you its called a STEVIE complex.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131069687

I haven't seen anything which suggests they get more than their share of road funding.

But I'm encouraged by your retreat from the socialist ideology of govt control of resources.

AS above
i never retreated into socialist idealism i just pointed out that you the champion of right wing ideals is suggesting that we should all fund Auckland for the greater good.
Some might call the hypocritical i call that just you being consistant.

[Brian d marge]

The problem is you don't actuallly think at all you just decide you know the answer, then belligerently refuse to ever consider whatever is shown to you its called a STEVIE complex.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131069687

Oi don't bring me into this .... I only think when I'm on the piss,. I rarely if at all do it at work ... And as for the answer just ask I know them all.

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[nerrrd]

The problem is you don't actuallly think at all you just decide you know the answer, then belligerently refuse to ever consider whatever is shown to you.

Yes, i'm definitely the belligerent one.

As you are a bit slow on the uptake here... National siphoned money to try and fix fix Aucklnders stupidity. which is of course pointless.

...the regions pay for their own roads you tosser.

National put through a law change to rip off the regions to give it to parasitic tossers in Auckland...

...You are clearly to thick to comprehend how the system works.

...The resaon the money going to auckland is they are clearly useless

Its not a lack of time on your behalf, its a profound lack of intelligence.

Kudos on fixing the spelling in that last one though.

[Ocean1]

The problem is you don't actuallly think at all you just decide you know the answer, then belligerently refuse to ever consider whatever is shown to you its called a STEVIE complex.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131069687


AS above
i never retreated into socialist idealism i just pointed out that you the champion of right wing ideals is suggesting that we should all fund Auckland for the greater good.
Some might call the hypocritical i call that just you being consistant.

I don't have right wing ideals, they're all mine.

And there wasn't anything in your wee graph showing Orks get more of their share of road funding the first time you posted it.

[husaberg]

I don't have right wing ideals, they're all mine.

And there wasn't anything in your wee graph showing Orks get more of their share of road funding the first time you posted it.

Yes Genghis Khan
Err...its the same graph when i first posted that it is now.
You might want to look at how it works. It doesn't balance.
It mute anyway because if Auckland was actually self funding as you and the SS Berligerent keep suggesting, prey tell why would it need an additional fuel tax to fund it roads.

Mayor Phil Goff has welcomed the introduction of fuel tax and says the city "has to pay its share" in developing "desperately needed" projects, including a light rail link between the CBD and the airport.

Both current Auckland Mayor Phil Goff and his two-term super city predecessor Len Brown pushed for a fuel tax only to fall on deaf central government ears.

Influential lobby group the Automobile Association is not "in principle" opposed to an Auckland regional fuel tax.
Its infrastructure and Auckland transport spokesman Barney Irvine said business cases for expensive public transport works like light rail must be consulted on."We want to see really clear business cases, we'd like Aucklanders to have a say on it."

Why also would it need the additional funding of the RONS being thrown at it.
Intersting that even National in a way admted that others would foot the bill

On 16 March 2009, Transport Minister Steven Joyce announced that the government will not proceed with regional fuel taxes. Regional fuel taxes will be partially replaced by smaller increases in national fuel taxes.

[Katman]

It mute anyway because if Auckland was actually self funding as you and the SS Berligerent keep suggesting, prey tell why would it need an additional fuel tax to fund it roads.

Seriously dude, don't ever go questioning anyone else's intelligence.

[Ocean1]

Yes Genghis Khan
Err...its the same graph when i first posted that it is now.
You might want to look at how it works. It doesn't balance.
It mute anyway because if Auckland was actually self funding as you and the SS Berligerent keep suggesting, prey tell why would it need an additional fuel tax to fund it roads.

Don't matter how many times you post it, it doesn't show Orks gets more than it's share of road funding.

But as it's obvious that against all evidence you believe otherwise I'll abandon any hope that merely repeatedly pointing that out will relieve you of your delusions.

Sayonara, dude.

[husaberg]

Don't matter how many times you post it, it doesn't show Orks gets more than it's share of road funding.

But as it's obvious that against all evidence you believe otherwise I'll abandon any hope that merely repeatedly pointing that out will relieve you of your delusions.

Sayonara, dude.

Yet it so clearly does. Alf Weinstein.

A quality, responsive transport system designed to support the growth of New Zealand’s largest city will not occur overnight – in fact, some improvements are at risk of not happening at all. Why? Current sources of funding simply aren’t enough to pay for the transport programme laid out in the 30-year Auckland Plan, and even if we can achieve a significant increase in investment, the forecast performance of key parts of the transport system will be worse from 2031 than it is today.

The funding gap Our job was not to evaluate the merits of individual transport projects, nor to question the Auckland Plan. To prevent Auckland’s congestion reaching unacceptable levels, the funding gap that needs to be filled will be at least $12 billion (financial projections throughout this document are presented in 2012 dollars). This averages $400 million annually for the next 30 years. To raise that much additional money, widespread public support is essential.

The government invests approximately $1.6 billion a year on the constructing, maintaining and renewing of State highways, including provision for walking and cycling.
In partnership with local authorities, the government provides subsidies of $600 million towards the constructing, maintaining and renewing of our local roading networks that link into our highways, including provision for walking and cycling. Local authorities invest a similar amount.
The government also provides subsidies of $275 million for public transport, again with local authorities investing a similar amount.

Twyford told Newsroom in an interview that the Government and the Auckland Council are looking at ways to fill a $6 billion funding hole over the next decade that the previous Government had given no indication of filling. The Council is up against its debt limits for its current AA credit rating and each notch downgrade caused by extra borrowing increases rates by around one percent per year.
The new Government and the Auckland Council expect to work on using the National Land Transport Fund (previously dedicated to roads and motorways) to fund light rail, he said. The Council was also looking at using targeted rates on light rail and other rapid transit routes to capture the value uplift in property prices because of those plans. The Government would also introduce a 10c/litre regional fuel tax as an interim step to help fill the gap while a congestion charging system was being built over the next five to 10 years.
Twyford said he also wanted to use the National Land Transport Fund to help fund rapid transit systems in cities, including for light rail and busways. Previously, the fund (paid for from fuel levies and road user charges) was dedicated to road building and repairs.

"There's a six billion dollar funding gap there that the former Government never really explained how they were going to fund that," Twyford said.
He expected the Auckland Council to ask for a regional fuel tax, which would generate between $120 million and $150 million a year and $1.5 billion over the decade, or about 10 percent of the total build programme.
"It's tough to ask the rest of New Zealand to pay all of the marginal costs of Auckland's growth," he said.

[pritch]

I haven't seen anything which suggests they get more than their share of road funding.

You must have drifted off. For years we were told that there were no funds available for urgently required work here. Auckland, and to a lesser extent Wellington's Northern outlet, were the priority.

Only in the last year or so has that changed.

[RDJ]

Maybe if we stopped working for other people's families we could start working for some infrastructure that benefits everyone instead.

Aye, this.