Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[GazzaH]

If you see some tosser doing something stupid and dangerous on the road, and then being stopped by the rozzas up the road a ways, does it not occur to you to stop and express your dissatisfaction at their tossiness to the rozzas? The additional evidence, although unsubstantiated, might just make the difference between a warning and a prosecution. On top of that, what better way to vent your spleen? It might even help said tosser appreciate the effect their behaviour has on others - a wake up call maybe.

It's all very well whining on here and elsewhere, but why not seize the moment to make a difference?

Just sayin'

[Voltaire]

I have often wondered about the speed limiter thing - very very easy on anything with a computer.

So lets pretend it gets passed - how will the face of NZ vehicles change, lets face it what's the point of a supersport thou if it's limited to (say) 130?
Will we look elsewhere for our rides? Big cruisers maybe and midweight all purpose bikes? Something like Suzukis old GSX1400, and the Honda thou retro thing may be more suitable.

What is the point of 100+ HP bikes? I took my 70 HP 900ss out today and the best part was running it up thru the lower

gears.

Had a ST4S for a while but could not see the point of a fast bike and no Autobahns to ride it on.

NZ main highways are pathetic and will probably remain so.

Labour might introduce stuff like that as they are going to be a Nanny govt.

[george formby]

What is the point of 100+ HP bikes? I took my 70 HP 900ss out today and the best part was running it up thru the lower
gears.

Concur. Well, I get the point but have nowhere to ride one. Had a ride today minimising time on the Norfland State Highways, as you do. So lots of twisties and a nice gravel intermission. We had all of the Northland weather and the typical road conditions. Take your pick, it's just around the corner.
Potentially the quickest bike in our modest group makes about 40hp+.... Only weighs 130kg or so.. LOL.
The "big" bikes are in the 70hp bracket and only briefly get above 3rd.
Nobody appeared in the mirrors despite their being a big run up here. Much fun was had and no underpants stained.

[awayatc]

You have not answered my question in that what the courts award as damages in industrial accidents is substantially higher than for the same degree of injury/death if it happens on the road? I note a comment on the Stuff website about this topic today and it says "Life is Cheap" on NZ roads compared to other countries meaning there is little in the way of consequences for anyone found at fault.

You are a fuckwit

[george formby]

You have not answered my question in that what the courts award as damages in industrial accidents is substantially higher than for the same degree of injury/death if it happens on the road? I note a comment on the Stuff website about this topic today and it says "Life is Cheap" on NZ roads compared to other countries meaning there is little in the way of consequences for anyone found at fault.

Fair scenario.

Imagine, as a motorcyclist, licensed to ride safely and legally, you hit a dog. It ran past from behind you in a 50kmh zone, swerved in front and knocked you off.

The dog is not happy but gave you a beating.

When you wake up in your hospital bed one of your first visitors is a lawyer who hands over a bill for $26'000.

Vets bills, emotional harm, negligence, new collar and leash, previous riding history and so on used against you in court.

Best lawyer wins.

Industry is regulated, monitored, verified, adapted and systematic. The whole point is that it gets safer. Harm caused by not meeting the standard is true negligence.

What benefit to safety would equal penalties achieve against people who were obeying the law but just happen to be crap at controlling a vehicle?

S.Troll on YaaF

[russd7]

You have not answered my question in that what the courts award as damages in industrial accidents is substantially higher than for the same degree of injury/death if it happens on the road? I note a comment on the Stuff website about this topic today and it says "Life is Cheap" on NZ roads compared to other countries meaning there is little in the way of consequences for anyone found at fault.

it is really simple, courts award on ability to pay, there is no point in a court awarding or fining if all it means is the entity goes bankrupt without actually paying up, if you follow the worksafe rulings in court you should have noticed a large swing in the amount of fine dealt out to compensation, a business can insure against compensation but they cannot insure against fines and the fines are getting substantially larger and the courts now look in to a businesses books to ensure what it can afford to pay as in this case.

(worksafe media release)The Tasman Tanning Company Ltd was fined $380,000 and ordered to pay reparations to the victim of $18,000.

Notes:

The final fine imposed was $380,000.
The court ordered reparation of a total of $18,000 to the victim.
The Tasman Tanning Company Ltd was charged under sections 36, 48(1) and (2)(c) of the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015.
Being a PCBU, failed to ensure, so far as was reasonably practicable, the health and safety of workers who worked for the PCBU while they were at work in the business or undertaking, namely working on or near the mixing floor, and that failure exposed them to a risk of death or serious injury/illness, arising from exposure to hydrogen sulphide gas.
The maximum penalty under sections 36, 48(1) and (2)(c) of the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015 is a fine not exceeding $1.5 million.

and the difference being that an employer is making money from an employee where as joe public causing an accident is not getting financial gain

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=Drew;1131070375]Oh yeah.

The BEST PLACE TO POSITION YOUR BIKE IS THE RIGHT TYRE TRACK.

I never said you need to always be there. It's a STARTING POSITION that offers the most options for escape.

My friend they cant see you there ;-)

Come on guys you all care other wise you whouldint get so fired up.

So dont flame each other where all on the same side here.

I just wish there be a campain to enforce common road code things.

Whats the point of a road code other wise.

It might be just me but am sick of people cutting corners . reversing out

On the other side of the road from there driveways. it says reverse out keep left to your side of the road. to me if to treat crossing the centre line as not a great idea , not on your bloody cell phones . i see it ever day. so why dont.

The bloody usless cops enforce and warn drivers to stop doing these lazy
attitudes its Kiwis biggest issue is lazness .

[riffer]

Hmmm. Some interesting feedback to my posts on here. Thanks guys.

I think I can sum most people here's attitude up with the following sentence:
"Everybody else is a bad driver; they should be sorted out, but don't touch me."

It's a pretty common attitude in this country. The problem is, we're all human, and we all make mistakes at times. Even us superior beings who choose two wheeled transport. Governments can do something about the problem. Unfortunately, any attempt to make a difference is going to impact on everybody, and the things that we like to do will get hit hard in the first instance.

One fella commented "how would an interactive ignition lock device work on my vintage motorcycle?" To be honest, it's irrelevant; a statistical anomaly. There are so few instances of this that it wouldn't matter; the majority of vehicles would be sorted by this kind of device.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not in any way advocating the use of these kinds of things - I'm merely pointing out that the current technology exists to allow this kind of thing to be put in a vehicle - and whichever government is in makes no difference - if the public demand for "something to be done" eventually some politician is going to make a decision which could impact us in a bad way.

I personally think the greater danger to our way of life is autonomous vehicles, and that it will show up in insurance premiums, backed up by sensors on the roads that will pick up a "registered" vehicle. They already have number plate recognition technology and it's used in the UK to determine whether vehicles are licensed. Over there it's not legal to operate a vehicle on the road if it's not insured. Anyway, I believe that in the future, insurance premiums for human-operated vehicles will rise and rise, making it uneconomic to operate such a vehicle on the road.

How many of us are prepared to genuinely become outlaws to ride our motorcycles? Science Fiction and it's portrayal of creeping fascism has been shown more and more to be incredibly prescient.

I see a future where the only place for motorcycles is on racetracks and private roads. And I don't really like it. But if we insist on claiming that "everyone else is a bad driver", then it may well happen. I hope I'm wrong.

[Ocean1]

it is really simple, courts award on ability to pay, there is no point in a court awarding or fining if all it means is the entity goes bankrupt without actually paying up, if you follow the worksafe rulings in court you should have noticed a large swing in the amount of fine dealt out to compensation, a business can insure against compensation but they cannot insure against fines and the fines are getting substantially larger and the courts now look in to a businesses books to ensure what it can afford to pay as in this case.



and the difference being that an employer is making money from an employee where as joe public causing an accident is not getting financial gain

As was the employee.

But as you say, they can't be responsible for their own safety, 'cause they can't afford it.

And then, of course bankrupting employees would affect election results....

[Ocean1]

- if the public demand for "something to be done" eventually some politician is going to make a decision which could impact us in a bad way.

Aye, the trend is clear, whiney arsed bastards are the problem, shoot the fuckers.

[Voltaire]

Stats off Wiki,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

UK is lower but then they have proper motorways and when I lived there a better standard of driving.

I found Germany good to drive/ride in along with most of Northern EU, Spain, South of France and Portugal not so much ( and

they like breaking in to your vehicle too)

Other places I'd ridden its more bikes/scooters than cars so the in a large safe box mentality is less.

I suppose if you told someone 100 years ago you could drive at 100 kmph, change your music, play with your phone all at the

same time you'd have been seen as a superman.

At the end of the day there are a lot of vehicles on the road doing 100 k's separated by a 100mm white line and a human at

the wheel so things going wrong are inevitable, throw passengers talking, tiredness, substances into the mix and it gets

worse.

Autonomous vehicles are coming, I wonder what the SWAT discussions are like in Motorcycle boardrooms these days.

Audi: "Lets flog off Ducati as who is going to buy an electric one"

HD: " We're running out of Baby Boomers "

Japanese: " We are diversified already and Moto GP is just a bit of fun for us"

BMW: " we nearly got out of bikes before so not a biggie"

Rest of World: " we're still making Honda 50 scooters and bikes"

[Woodman]

Autonomous Ubers will be the future of cars. Just use the app on your phone and a car will show up.

Insurance for human driven cars will be very high, partly due to the cost of fixing them due to the lack of panelbeaters because autonomous cars won't get in very many accidents.

The cost of building cars for drivers will get higher as having to add steering wheels and dashboards etc will be an accessory. Meanwhile the economies of scale in building autonomous cars will make their price go down.

[jellywrestler]

My friends

you've actually got friends?

[awayatc]

I hope these autonomous vehicles don't feel pressured to keep up with the rest of the group.

Also I want autonomous dogs programmed so they don't run in autonomous cars

[caspernz]

I hope these autonomous vehicles don't feel pressured to keep up with the rest of the group.

Also I want autonomous dogs programmed so they don't run in autonomous cars

But in the event of an accident will the ACC premium go up for the at fault vehicle? You know, as a lesson to do better in future