Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[Graystone]

A big part of why I think that a financial-less society is where we are headed is the rise of AI (robots and shit). Read an article recently about it and it basically said that we all need to get ready for the change as AI is coming. It is almost like AI is an asteroid on a collision course with Earth. It is not, it is something that is created by us in the search for higher profit margins. Are corporations that powerful that they can utterly change society? why can't governments stop the development of AI? Surely some form of legislation could be worked out where robots cannot do a job that a human is capable of?

It's a scary thought alright, the collision course metaphor is apt though, someone will produce one. The govt needs to control that to ensure what is produced is ethical and just; otherwise we'll be back to the dark ages or worse.

[mashman]

A big part of why I think that a financial-less society is where we are headed is the rise of AI (robots and shit). Read an article recently about it and it basically said that we all need to get ready for the change as AI is coming. It is almost like AI is an asteroid on a collision course with Earth. It is not, it is something that is created by us in the search for higher profit margins. Are corporations that powerful that they can utterly change society? why can't governments stop the development of AI? Surely some form of legislation could be worked out where robots cannot do a job that a human is capable of?

Wow, you have been busy. Allow me to answer your questions. Who knows, you might even understand what I explain

Are corporations that powerful that they can utterly change society?: Yes. The money controls production.

Why can't governments stop the development of AI?: Other than profit margins and the effects on tax base etc... that you highlight, we need the technology to help us limit our pollution. This can be as simple as "robot" efficiency v's human efficiency when it comes to bending nails, or chopping too much off the end of a piece of wood, or creating substandard materials and so on. AI is useful. Did you read about facebook turning off their AI because it invented a more efficient language to communicate and the hooman got scared? They should be scared, coz AI will do things for a logical reason, not a political one, and that scares the living shit out of them, coz it'll be bad for business.

Surely some form of legislation could be worked out where robots cannot do a job that a human is capable of? Bill Gates said that you should pay the robot and tax it. I state that you can implement the automation and still pay the human. That we don't do it that way is amusing given that the approach I have found uses the same resources that exist today. It's an approach, not a solution, because it has a shelf-life as eventually technology will render the approach moot within approximately 10 years. All you need to remember is that your Employee is someone else's Customer. Removing their remuneration renders the businesses that relied on the Employee discretionary income open to financial hardship. They too have employees and are a part of a relatively complicated set of supply chains. But yeah, we could easily handle it for 10 years. It would also give us a chance to divest in terms of moving from dairy to hemp on the fields that pollute the most. I R a smart muthafucka that way.

[mashman]

It's a scary thought alright, the collision course metaphor is apt though, someone will produce one. The govt needs to control that to ensure what is produced is ethical and just; otherwise we'll be back to the dark ages or worse.

The govt

[mashman]

I think fundamental to any great society is the free sharing of information, starting with how the society works. Given your great relucatance to share such information about your RBE society, I guess you disagree, and that should make anyone very weary of that which you promote.

You said an RBE had been around before as well, that clearly didn't fare any better than the monarchys. In fact it was around far longer, so on the balance of probabilities... monarchy comes out on top again! Pragmatic and logical comparisons work.

I have read about many of those things, they are not the RBE you put forward, I'd rather not sully their versions by assuming their attributes transfer to your anarchistic bastardisation of the term. Cryptocurrencies are a joke, let's not bother going there.

Not disagreeing with that at all. I have outlined my reasons for not engaging with you on that front. It is a purposeful and calculated decision not to bang my head against that brick wall given the evidence of your responses during the interactions we did have. But your goading is funny.

And there it is. You've made your mind up. You aren't accepting new information. Granted I see a lot of that in RBE circles, but some people are just like a Corgi with a bone.

You do realise that they advocate the removal of government right? Nice try. Again with the you know what "my" way is and how it is done . So ingratiating. There's pills for your performance issues you know. I've heard that P is pretty good too, if not somewhat dangerous.

[Graystone]

Not disagreeing with that at all. I have outlined my reasons for not engaging with you on that front. It is a purposeful and calculated decision not to bang my head against that brick wall given the evidence of your responses during the interactions we did have. But your goading is funny.

And there it is. You've made your mind up. You aren't accepting new information. Granted I see a lot of that in RBE circles, but some people are just like a Corgi with a bone.

You do realise that they advocate the removal of government right? Nice try. Again with the you know what "my" way is and how it is done . So ingratiating. There's pills for your performance issues you know. I've heard that P is pretty good too, if not somewhat dangerous.

Just as I've outlined my reasons why you need to do so; in short, I don't believe what politicians say, I demand more than just their/your word.

It's clear you've made up you mind not to fairly compare you RBE to any other system. I want to know why you discount monarchy's since they have come and gone without eliminating poverty, yet cannot discount RBEs for coming and going without eliminating poverty as well? it's a clear double standard.

I'm not saying there are no similarities, but they are not the same, and only by discussing it can we determine what the similarities are and their detail. So why not cut to the chase? I suggest it is because you don't know what they are either, you have no clue how to get from here to your Utopian Dream.

[Ocean1]

It's a scary thought alright, the collision course metaphor is apt though, someone will produce one. The govt needs to control that to ensure what is produced is ethical and just; otherwise we'll be back to the dark ages or worse.

There's entirely too much of this "govt needs to control" shit going on. Stop it.

Allow me to introduce the Rational Anarchist:

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me.
If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.

I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible For everything I do."

- Robert A. Heinlein

[Graystone]

There's entirely too much of this "govt needs to control" shit going on. Stop it.

Allow me to introduce the Rational Anarchist:

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me.
If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.

I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible For everything I do."

- Robert A. Heinlein

Rules? We're talking the emergence of AI. I don't think rules really enter into it...

[Ocean1]

Rules? We're talking the emergence of AI. I don't think rules really enter into it...

And yet rules is what happens as a direct result of "govt needs to control" shit. AI or no AI.

The ability to maintain fidelity to individual ethics in the face of the resulting, sometimes conflicting rules is the key to maintaining personal responsibility.

Only a Rational Anarchistic approach works there.

[mashman]

Rules? We're talking the emergence of AI. I don't think rules really enter into it...

Robot rules. You gotta wonder if we're humanising AI by claiming that we are intelligent.

[mashman]

And yet rules is what happens as a direct result of "govt needs to control" shit. AI or no AI.

The ability to maintain fidelity to individual ethics in the face of the resulting, sometimes conflicting rules is the key to maintaining personal responsibility.

Only a Rational Anarchistic approach works there.

Alan Greenspan. Is that you?

[Graystone]

And yet rules is what happens as a direct result of "govt needs to control" shit. AI or no AI.

The ability to maintain fidelity to individual ethics in the face of the resulting, sometimes conflicting rules is the key to maintaining personal responsibility.

Only a Rational Anarchistic approach works there.

I see, I was more thinking to control it's emergence by supporting it and being involved to ensure it is done right, yes there will be rules nut I think warranted given the stakes.

[mashman]

Just as I've outlined my reasons why you need to do so; in short, I don't believe what politicians say, I demand more than just their/your word.

It's clear you've made up you mind not to fairly compare you RBE to any other system. I want to know why you discount monarchy's since they have come and gone without eliminating poverty, yet cannot discount RBEs for coming and going without eliminating poverty as well? it's a clear double standard.

I'm not saying there are no similarities, but they are not the same, and only by discussing it can we determine what the similarities are and their detail. So why not cut to the chase? I suggest it is because you don't know what they are either, you have no clue how to get from here to your Utopian Dream.

And fair enough. But I don't need to do it with you. It's a choice. I do not identify with being a politician, and you can't make me. I'm someone who, like yourself, demands more from politicians. Ideally for them to ditch politics and get on with it.

Not with you, no. I didn't discount monarchy, I stated that it was highly improbably that it'd meet the goals you state. The RBE's didn't have poverty. They didn't have words for please or thank you. They didn't wear shirts and ties. They got on in general. It is quite well documented that the indigenous were treated badly wherever the west went. Badly being an understatement and a half. Til then, they had survived there for thousands of years without needing a financial system. But hey.

I've told you why we're not going to discuss it. By all means believe what you like about what I know and understand. You've been doing that throughout our interactions. So suggest away all you like.

[Akzle]

AI? Surely some form of legislation could be worked out where robots cannot do a job that a human is capable of?

and how long do you think that will last before thesuperintelligent robots realise we're artificially limiting a resource, in an horrendously inefficient manner, for the sake of... being petted on the back?

and then they'll kill all the humans.

[Akzle]

It's a scary thought alright, the collision course metaphor is apt though, someone will produce one. The govt needs to control that to ensure what is produced is ethical and just; otherwise we'll be back to the dark ages or worse.

"oh lawdy lawdy, pleas massa guvament sah, i's don wan no robot supavisa, nuh-huh no sir-ee"


child.

[Akzle]

as far as i understand the only given rule for ai is "dont let it on teh internet" (see aforesaid skynet becoming active)

facebook killed their ai when it stopped speaking english.

everyone rocking iphone is teaching the siri (and google, the droid) speech patterns, internet behaviour, where and when you do what...

machine intelligence is the next step in evolution. i dont think humans will survive it.

sofia was granted citizenship...^.-

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artif...olution-1.html