Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[Madness]

actively wanting others to die, whilst staying alive yourself - we call that Murder.

I thought that was just part of being a KB member.

[TheDemonLord]

Hush now - you're making yourself look even more silly than normal.

Coming from the person who called for the Murder of half the Planet...

Yes.

I'm totally the silly one.

[Ocean1]

Put things in place to fund those who currently redistribute free food to those who need it.

Fuck me you don't just want free shit, now you want it delivered free too?

[mashman]

Fuck me you don't just want free shit, now you want it delivered free too?

The market has responded to a need. As such, free food is received by some and it is also delivered for free too. I'm fortunate enough not to need it. I guess when you don't have enough capitalist tokens you have to resort to accepting tat which is offered for free. Not sure why you're complaining. the free market is allowing thousands of people to eat and to grow up to become non-caring and non-sharing rational anarchists. And no, you can go and fuck yourself. As appealing as your offer is, I can't afford the booze bill that'd be required to get me across that line.

[Katman]

Coming from the person who called for the Murder of half the Planet...

Dude, you really need to look up the definition of the word 'murder'.

I think you'll find it's somewhat closer to what Ocean proposes.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, you really need to look up the definition of the word 'murder'.

I think you'll find it's somewhat closer to what Ocean proposes.

You've demonstrated a Motive, You've Demonstrated mens rea.

And despite your claims that you want it to be some impartial force (in a vain attempt to absolve yourself) - you've indicated that you want it targeted (at the very least) away from you, which means you don't want it impartial.

So yeah, That would be a murderous intent.

[Akzle]

do you think i should get a puppy?

[TheDemonLord]

do you think i should get a puppy?

Rottweiler
Or a Newfoundland

[Akzle]

Rottweiler
Or a Newfoundland

not a rotti.

i was thinking a barbet, or pudelhund.

[Graystone]

If you can't see it then I can't help you sorry.

Interestingly, arrogance and humilty are some of those traits where telling others about your own generally makes the counterpoint to what is said. Have you seen that clip of Trump bragging about how humble he is?

[Graystone]

I'm looking for feedback on how to augment the below approach because it entirely feasible to implement. All feedback appreciated... this is KB after all.

Put things in place to fund those who currently redistribute free food to those who need it. Building vertical hydroponic farms on the doorsteps of those very people and calling them community gardens. I'd look at slightly different ways of mixing current logistics to save on transport costs, sprays etc... Either way, should anyone struggling financially choose to turn down good fresh free food, and therefore not have another 17% in their pocket by default, then that's their problem. Where they do get 17%... well, they now have 17% more money without anyone really having to spend much outwith the investment required to build the farms. Even at that we could find the final year students who kick ass and offer them the contract to build them. Again, it's be cheap, potentially free, as these guys are already paid for given that they're still in education. What they would receive in return is a short-cut in terms of their industry standing. There are a few other, more maybe, important things I'd address too... but hey, let's start with the alleviation of poverty and maybe some knock on health effects.

I'd advise managed growth, a lot of community gardens have failed due to some parts of the community getting greedy. Manage allocation first for the production to go to those in need, then surplus to others. Free is a little optimistic if you want good ones built, but it's certainly within the range of local donations. 17% is also very optimistic given the small selection of things that can be grown at any one time; every little bit helps but overselling it is a good way to have the whole thing crash and burn due to too high expectations. Look for bored old people to do the volunteer stuff also...

It's absolutely the right idea to go about testing the waters for your RBE ideas though. No widespread overturning of capitalism or political upheaval, just be more efficient with production/consumption.

[Woodman]

Anything to avoid buying supermarket "fresh" veges.

[mashman]

Anything to avoid buying supermarket "fresh" veges.

. I just finished a greenhouse made from pallets, old lattice fence and what was left of the plastic from the tunnelhouse after it unstitched itself. Should be a little better for the kiddlywinks.

I'd advise managed growth, a lot of community gardens have failed due to some parts of the community getting greedy. Manage allocation first for the production to go to those in need, then surplus to others. Free is a little optimistic if you want good ones built, but it's certainly within the range of local donations. 17% is also very optimistic given the small selection of things that can be grown at any one time; every little bit helps but overselling it is a good way to have the whole thing crash and burn due to too high expectations. Look for bored old people to do the volunteer stuff also...

It's absolutely the right idea to go about testing the waters for your RBE ideas though. No widespread overturning of capitalism or political upheaval, just be more efficient with production/consumption.

Thanks for that. I figured that those who understood the significance of what was being undertaken would take guardianship of it. As you say, the oldies have time, and some of 'em have gardening knowledge that could only improve the quality and quantity etc... Yup, cheap n cheerful isn't the way to do that sort of thing, especially when I'm thinking about vertical hydroponic farming in places. As you say, there may well be local funding available. The former Mayor here is head of a local entity that deals with large enough sums of money. I meant that the labour could be free. Consider the final year trades students that really needn't be there anymore, but would like solid experience on the CV when heading out into the working world. The students get the financial leg up and the employers don't have to train as many of the youth. Should be an acceptable incentive for the ones who want to get ahead? As for free materials. Tricky, unless those students can also deconstruct buildings that need to be torn down anyway, and then use some of those resources for the materials for the farm. As we are in a bit of a wobbly place on the world. A dome would be the most sensible design. Any resources left over could also go towards maintaining the current housing stock that needs repairing before it ends up needing torn down. Maybe fixing school roofs or summink. Dunno. Would need an idea of the resources. Either way, there's always the potential to rent out a space purely as a hydroponic farm. But then there's travel issues and so on and so forth. If the garden/farm has the same level of "greed" as the time banks. Then I'd be alright with that. Rough with the smooth etc...

Interestingly enough, that's the basis of that transition I was talking about i.e. don't rock the financial boat, but fiddle with the logistics a little to achieve a goal that money can't buy. Hat tip to Mr Fresco for the coolest catchphrase of all time imho.

[mashman]

There was also the "charity" aspect for construction. More in terms of certified experts on site. A tradie mate of mine, who probably wouldn't be needed, but doesn't know that, would happily offer a day or two. He'd do it on the basis that it would be better for his pocket i.e. no need for a raise in any taxes to fund it. Barn raising in Porirua could be quite good fun.

[Ocean1]

The market has responded to a need. As such, free food is received by some and it is also delivered for free too. I'm fortunate enough not to need it. I guess when you don't have enough capitalist tokens you have to resort to accepting tat which is offered for free. Not sure why you're complaining. the free market is allowing thousands of people to eat and to grow up to become non-caring and non-sharing rational anarchists. And no, you can go and fuck yourself. As appealing as your offer is, I can't afford the booze bill that'd be required to get me across that line.

Fuck you talk some shite.

Here's what happens:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/940...-in-te-awamutu

"There is one elderly lady in particular. She parks nearby, waits for goods to be dropped off and then takes the lot."

And y'know what? That's actually not the least encouraging result. For years I had a substantial orchard, and in spite of numerous attempts to give fruit away there was fuck all takers. Pick your own? Fuck that shit, far too much effort. So I picked apples, plumbs, pairs etc etc, hundreds of kilos worth, and stuck it in boxes. Still couldn't give it away.

Turns out there's a reason most poor people are poor. Apart from the obvious depredations of the ravening capitalist hoards of course. Can you guess what it is?