should we be allowed semi-autos?

[TheDemonLord]

Speaking of "fun at the range" - One of my friends was on holiday in Vietnam earlier this year. She posted a youtube clip of herself firing an entire mag of AK47 and laughing maniacally. That range also had an M60 you could have a burl on.

yes, I'm going next year, why do you ask?

Years ago I had a crack at firing a few handguns (HMS shooting if I remember what they called it) and it was great fun. But the hassle of getting the licence(s) meant I CBF - I still dont have even an A cat licence. I also dont need another fucking expensive hobby.

This may or may not be on my Bucket list

https://www.battlefieldvegas.com/

[Honest Andy]

I'd just like to see a bit more responsible ownership and use. Found another bullet hole in the house yesterday, now 5 there.
None seem to be bigger than .22 so I'm picking it's bunny shooters in the area around the village.
How hard is it to site yourself to shoot away from the built up area ?
Plenty of kids in the village now - there's always a risk of hitting one.

Fucksake! I hope you showed it to the local constable, they might be able to follow it up before you loose a window....

[haydes55]

No. I think if you can't ride a manual, you shouldn't be riding a motorbike. Automatic or semi-automatic motorbikes are sacrilege.

Also guns are fun. Giz a shot.

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[Akzle]

The problem there is that in todays battle space - the cost of entry is simply too high for a civillian, or even a well regulated militia to achieve parity with the Governement. Not to mention that the Government has some other advantages of scale and tactics (such as co-ordinated assaults) that aren't open to the Civillians.

Even if I do agree that the spirit of the 2nd Amendment is a fundamental problem that it is right to be cognizant of, even if I think that with advances in Tech, the 2nd Amendment has aged poorly.



I'd love to own a Full-Auto, but if someone was to ask why I should need one - the best answer I have is "Fun at the range" - which isn't enough of a Justification to own one.



Plus they give you +5 Tactikool points.


So no different from posting on KB then....

try and stick to the topic. as ineteresting as the ass-pie shit is, it doesnt make for good internets.

i don't mean capability. i mean price and availability. and EQUALITY. i don't expect the civvies to mobilise against an army.

who needs a reason? "cos i can and it doesn't fuck anyone else's day up" is enough.

[Akzle]

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The lack of gun deaths despite our high rate of ownership could be related to the storage requirements, and the inability for any idiot who thinks he's a gangster to walk around with a handgun on their person.

except states that support open carry show statistically less firearms crime.

One idea that has been raised in the past which seems not unreasonable is registration of firearms to owners, it doesn't seem like a terrible plan to keep track of what's out there in the world, whether it would prevent anything bad from happening is a different matter altogether.

tried and failed. nz chucked it (shortly after port arthur farce) teh govt licenses PEOPLE as "fit and proper" we dont license FIREARMS, as firearms without people, tend not to do very much at all.

[Akzle]

I'd just like to see a bit more responsible ownership and use. Found another bullet hole in the house yesterday, now 5 there.
None seem to be bigger than .22 so I'm picking it's bunny shooters in the area around the village.
How hard is it to site yourself to shoot away from the built up area ?
Plenty of kids in the village now - there's always a risk of hitting one.

that's a) unfortunate and b) pretty shit. nz only has 7 fucken rules and one of them is "be sure of your firing zone.

i would find out out who's doing it. and suggest they switch to a shotgun.

[Akzle]

Right. So what is the correct way to refer to an automatic rifle without using the word automatic?

that depends on your ignorance.

"automatic"= "full auto" - bullets come out until you run out or let go.

"semi automatic" = "self loading" - you do not need to manually cycle the weapon between trigger actuations.

[scumdog]

and i have to switch off whenever talkbackers phone up about "gun stuff" because the level of general ignorance gives me the shits.
even amongst license holders and self-proclaimed enthusiasts.

Yep, its city when you hear the waffle some trot out.
(It's sort of audio-KB)

[scumdog]

This may or may not be on my Bucket list

https://www.battlefieldvegas.com/

Yep its a blast but they load their ammo prices!

[scumdog]

Nothing wrong with self-loading rifles. It's just a convenience thing. If there was an incident which would have been prevented or mitigated by their ban then it might be worth looking at again, the probability of that seems pretty small since our gun culture isn't fucked.

But if that did happen, maybe only self-loaders for .22s, keep the pests at bay. Hunters who really need self loaders should spend more time at the range. Bolt action's are pretty quick anyway.

Duck shooters would be pissed off with your ideas!

BTW:The Raurimu massacre dude used a single-shot shotgun to shoot a bunch of people.

[FJRider]

The problem there is that in todays battle space - the cost of entry is simply too high for a civillian, or even a well regulated militia to achieve parity with the Governement. Not to mention that the Government has some other advantages of scale and tactics (such as co-ordinated assaults) that aren't open to the Civillians.

Even if I do agree that the spirit of the 2nd Amendment is a fundamental problem that it is right to be cognizant of, even if I think that with advances in Tech, the 2nd Amendment has aged poorly.

The 2nd Amendment is not about going to war. It is about the right to "Bear Arms" in their own defense. Be it in the street ... or on their own property. It may not be Indians very often these days ... but there are plenty of not nice people that like to fuck people over. If having a gun might mean ruining THEIR day ... then getting a gun might seem like a good idea.

[Akzle]

Right or wrong if you start referring to self loading firearms no one will know what you are on about. Maybe another horse that has bolted.

unless they're not ignorant.

[Graystone]

Duck shooters would be pissed off with your ideas!

BTW:The Raurimu massacre dude used a single-shot shotgun to shoot a bunch of people.

Nothing wrong with a chump action.

I know, it highlights why NZ is unlikely to see any benefit of removing self loaders.

[Akzle]

Nothing wrong with self-loading rifles. It's just a convenience thing. If there was an incident which would have been prevented or mitigated by their ban then it might be worth looking at again, the probability of that seems pretty small since our gun culture isn't fucked.

But if that did happen, maybe only self-loaders for .22s, keep the pests at bay. Hunters who really need self loaders should spend more time at the range. Bolt action's are pretty quick anyway.

i know people who shoot pump shotguns almost as fast as a semi. like, to the point you need equipment to measure the difference.
the old(er) army boys can crank 40 rounds a minute through a. 30, and accurately.

it's not "hunters" to worry. it's culling, that it comes in handy.

[TheDemonLord]

The 2nd Amendment is not about going to war. It is about the right to "Bear Arms" in their own defense. Be it in the street ... or on their own property. It may not be Indians very often these days ... but there are plenty of not nice people that like to fuck people over. If having a gun might mean ruining THEIR day ... then getting a gun might seem like a good idea.

Certainly part of the 2A was to codify the individuals natural right to self defence, however The 2nd Amendment is also about giving the Populace the power to resist the Tyranny of the Government, borne out of the American experience of the War of Independence (at the hands of the British - Huzzah!).

It's premise is that a well-armed citizenry can act as a check and balance to the powers of the government, thus keeping the government from ever over-reaching it's mandate or from becoming despotic.

My Critique of this notion is that if the US was to turn despotic - the difference between the level of Firepower that the individual can acquire and the level that the US government has renders this original intent out of date.

The days where both sides had access to smoothbore blackpowder muskets and Kentucky rifles (thus having an equal playing field) are long since gone.