OMG RIP here we go again etc

[Old Steve]

At the Silver riding course I did, the course leader told us that the ACC have figures that show that motorbike riders have 22 times the chance of being killed or injured compared to a car driver.

But apparently if we wear a high-viz vest we are a third less likely of being killed or injured.

I'm ATGATT with fluoro!

[Crasherfromwayback]

But apparently if we wear a high-viz vest we are a third less likely of being killed or injured.

I call bullshit on that one.

[BMWST?]

The number of bikes registered has no bearing in this context though. It's merely looking at accidents, when you're involved in an accident whilst riding a motorcycle it's not relevant whether said bike is registered or not? So in that sense, the percentages apply, which corresponds with motorcyclist behaviour which I see day to day.

As a biker myself, I don't like the stats, but what's published doesn't surprise me one bit. Unfortunately

i agree with you re the actual numbers of accidents but they are meaningless.If we doubled the number of motorcyclists on the road overnight then it follows that there will be a double the number of motorcycle acccidents tomorrow.If TPTB dont know that the number of motorcyclists has doubled because 1/2 of them are unregistered(how else do they count them) then the accident figures are meaningless.And i reckon motorcycle crash statistics will be pretty proportional to the whole number of motorbikes on the raod.Any decent motorbike accident WILL result in an injury.Many many car accident will not involve injury because cars have a great deal of protection and they dont fall over.a 2016 motorcyle doesnt really provide any advantage to its rider compared to a 1970s motorcyle compared to a 1970s car and a 2016 car.

[nzspokes]

It's due to those taking Cassinas riding advice.

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[caspernz]

i agree with you re the actual numbers of accidents but they are meaningless.If we doubled the number of motorcyclists on the road overnight then it follows that there will be a double the number of motorcycle acccidents tomorrow.If TPTB dont know that the number of motorcyclists has doubled because 1/2 of them are unregistered(how else do they count them) then the accident figures are meaningless.And i reckon motorcycle crash statistics will be pretty proportional to the whole number of motorbikes on the raod.Any decent motorbike accident WILL result in an injury.Many many car accident will not involve injury because cars have a great deal of protection and they dont fall over.a 2016 motorcyle doesnt really provide any advantage to its rider compared to a 1970s motorcyle compared to a 1970s car and a 2016 car.

No argument on what you mean by numbers, doesn't change the proportion of rider at fault (or largely at fault) in total number of accidents. So for every 100 bike accidents there's 65 or so where the rider is at fault or largely at fault. Having the right number of bikes on road merely lowers the accident rate over distance travelled, or as percentage of bikes owned, not proportion of rider at fault.

[Berries]

As of Monday morning, the New Zealand Transport Agency road toll statistics show 37 out of 325 road fatalities for 2017. This compared with 43 motorclists among the 280 fatals last year.

If you can get past the bad England and poor spelling from the linked article the 11 percent this year compares to 15 percent last year. Even with my maths that is an improvement.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bloody sad for anyone involved.

Personally the ridiculously high rego isn't helping us, people parking up their bikes for 6 months is not the answer. We need really low cost rego to get more motorcyclists on our roads. the more there are the more car drivers will become accustomed to seeing them.

The 60s and early 70s saw most kids cycling to school, the roads were full of kids on bikes, we as car drivers were much more aware of their presence on our roads.
Just my thought for today.

Yeah and they were driving 60's and 70's cars with no seatbelts and smoking (it was compulsory) and screaming at the kids in the back. Be careful what you wish for.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-heral...mh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

[Swoop]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-heral...mh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

He was in a car, so probably wanting a downhill straight and a tailwind to go quicker... especially in a Mazda.

[Cloggy]

If the fear of dying on a bike is a concern its time to give up riding.

I would say that the fear of dying on a bike plays a big part in keeping me alive when riding.

[robajs]

There will be a lot more deaths and injuries, most motorcycle accidents the motorcyclist is at fault, often they are the only vehicle involved too.

I would like ACC component just collected completely via tax, ie income and company, but that is a seperate issue here.

in 1988 bronz canty obtained acc,s own data through the official information act and lo and behold
87 % of all motorcycle crashes were caused by outside factors / other vehicles.....this was before all motorcycles were lumped together as they are now. ie .moto cross / weekend dirt bike riding etc.
there were more claims made by the horsey set at that time than us on motor bikes.
we were in hospital longer though.
in my own opinion things wont have changed too much in respect to road riders other than faster bikes , crappier roads shared by more vehicles & people too busy doing everything but thinking about what they are actually doing .
my 10 cents worth.

[russd7]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-heral...mh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

cop said thats the fastest he has seen, hasn't seen much then. that road is just begging to be traveled at speed, not that i would of course, nor have i in the past, onest ocifer.

if i remember correctly the cop along there was one of the first to get a v3000 cause the commodores couldn't keep up with the traffic

[old slider]

Yeah and they were driving 60's and 70's cars with no seatbelts and smoking (it was compulsory) and screaming at the kids in the back. Be careful what you wish for.

I only wish that those driving anything other than motorcycles were more aware or conditioned to seeing those who are on two wheels.

As a teenager it appeared (to me) that we had a much higher ratio of two wheeled transport to other vehicle users than we have today.

I certainly was aware that our local roads (Wanganui) had high numbers of cyclists and motorcycle riders in the pre compulsory helmet era of 74.
I was working for Coleman Suzuki during the early 70s and we were assembling huge numbers of bikes for customers and the show room, sadly I cant record how many bikes went out the door each week, but I do remember getting sick of putting AC50s together mostly for younger workers and school leavers, The BSA rockets and Lightning etc made a nice change during the day, the explosion of the GTs and TS models was phenominal, I remember the 250 Hustler was popular.
The roads seemed to have lots of motorcycles, well around here anyways. I don't know if statistics are available of road bike numbers during the 60-70s in relation to other vehicles. ps, There was a plethora of busy and successful motorcycle shops here in this small town in those days.

[AllanB]

The roads seemed to have lots of motorcycles, well around here anyways. I don't know if statistics are available of road bike numbers during the 60-70s in relation to other vehicles. ps, There was a plethora of busy and successful motorcycle shops here in this small town in those days.

Motorcycles were cheap transport once. Not a luxury like they are now.

Jap import cars kill motorcycles. Why would a young chap spend $10k on a motorcycle when he can buy a fast car that carries five and fill it up with slightly overweight yet scantly clad young women?

[awayatc]

According to the statistics posted 37% of crashes are not the fault of the rider. It would be interested to know how many of the at fault crashes by riders are as a result of having a mid life crises as often in the media reports having a MLC can see you crash as MLC riders feel they can return to having the same ability they had when they gave up 20 - 30 years ago.

you are a fuckwit