OMG RIP here we go again etc

**FJRider** · 21st November 2017, 10:55

Originally Posted by cassina

Its impossible to plan for the potential screwups of others as they are the ones that set the distance and speed from you when they screw up and both can vary widely despite the common belief on here that there will always be time to avoid them.

Do nothing to prevent it ... by not actively LOOKING for potential issues ... effectively means YOU let it happen.

Even I don't claim to ALWAYS have time to avoid them ... but usually time to reduce the severity of them.

Originally Posted by cassina

You said some weeks back on here you gave up group riding due to the screwups of others in your group. You could very well apply the same thinking to other motorists in general and give up riding completely as a result of their behaviour too could you not?

The dangerous factors (THAT word again) that are seen on group rides ... seldom are seen in normal traffic flow ... with the frequency they are seen on most group rides. Following too closely and overtaking errors are the two most common problems on a group ride. In four wheeled traffic flow ... these are also the main accident causes.

Funnily enough ... group CAR runs to set destinations can also show similar issues to those to group rides ...

**FJRider** · 21st November 2017, 11:14

Originally Posted by cassina

Well done we agree on one thing if nothing else that group rides are dangerous. You can now expect to get abuse as I have for your feeling about group rides on here too.

Has it ever crossed your tiny mind ... why those dangerous factors (that word again) appear. AND ... how to avoid them .. ???

You list the issues you hate about group rides ... and I'll tell you how to avoid them. NO fancy skills needed ... or riding/racing school certificates needed either.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 21st November 2017, 11:22

Originally Posted by FJRider

The "thing" about one way bridges are ... few seem to realize that the little red arrows (or the big black ones) on the signs at either end of one way bridges mean.

The first on the bridge does NOT have automatic right of way. So ... until you can see if the way is clear ... slow down and be prepared to stop to let traffic cross. EVEN ... if the bridge signs indicate you have right of way.

Thus ... your "not my fault accident" might not need to have happened. YOUR stupidity and ignorance caused it.

Not your fault .. ?? BULL SHIT .. !!!

there was a motorcyclist killed last year (?) on a one way bridge.

**Akzle** · 21st November 2017, 13:18

Originally Posted by Moi

Is that the best you can do?

i believe my policies have been made pretty clear in the past. and i probably stand by most of them. maybe. unless it's financially convinent for me not to, obviously.

**Akzle** · 21st November 2017, 13:21

Originally Posted by cassina

Its impossible to plan for the potential screwups of others as they are the ones that set the distance and speed from you when they screw up and both can vary widely despite the common belief on here that there will always be time to avoid them. You said some weeks back on here you gave up group riding due to the screwups of others in your group. You could very well apply the same thinking to other motorists in general and give up riding completely as a result of their behaviour too could you not?

you're a fuckwit

**Akzle** · 21st November 2017, 13:26

Originally Posted by cassina

Well done we agree on one thing if nothing else that group rides are dangerous. You can now expect to get abuse as I have for your feeling about group rides on here too.

you're a fuckwit

**Akzle** · 21st November 2017, 13:30

Originally Posted by cassina

I have never been into group rides anyway. Rastus took the approach of giving up group riding in his post a few weeks back. With his professional ex police riding experience if there was an alternative to giving up he of all people would know.
As to why group rides are so dangerous its the pressure to keep up/show off, the "Pied Piper Effect" or a combination of the three.

you're a fuckwit

**Akzle** · 21st November 2017, 13:31

Originally Posted by cassina

I would have been killed myself if I had been on a bike. I ended up going from a lowish sports coupe to a 4WD after that experience.
I tour in that mostly now.

no-one cares. you're a fuckwit.

**FJRider** · 21st November 2017, 14:32

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

there was a motorcyclist killed last year (?) on a one way bridge.

As I recall ... he was exiting the Waiau bridge in north Canterbury when a car entered the bridge without checking/giving way for oncoming traffic. TOTALLY preventable.

**FJRider** · 21st November 2017, 14:39

Originally Posted by cassina

I have never been into group rides anyway. Rastus took the approach of giving up group riding in his post a few weeks back. With his professional ex police riding experience if there was an alternative to giving up he of all people would know.
As to why group rides are so dangerous its the pressure to keep up/show off, the "Pied Piper Effect" or a combination of the three.

Not doing group rides ...

he gets paid to organize and do them ...

With training riders no less ...

As usual ... THIS post of yours is bullshit twaddle.

**FJRider** · 21st November 2017, 14:52

Originally Posted by cassina

The police thought different to you though and prosecuted the driver. Even a witness who came to my aid said it was not my fault. If you find yourself in the same situation the police will find the other driver at fault too despite the likely effort you will make to take responsibility. Hitting you will be every "At Fault" motorist's dream come true. On the other hand though if you get injured enough it could change your thinking.

Think on this ... if you gave way to the oncoming vehicle ... the accident would not have happened. Thus ... your accident was totally preventable.

AND YOU ARE A FUCKWIT for letting it happen ...