Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[granstar]

Thank you for sharing Simon. Hope you mend well.

[Blackbird]

Humbling, Simon...... thank you

[Dadpole]

Thanks Riffer. That piece made wading through this thread worthwhile.

[Woodman]

Cheers Riffer. Means a lot that you shared this.

[Akzle]

I don't think Akzle was saying that to you. It is a sobering reality that a lot of people don't realize. Its simple things like braking in front of a heavy vehicle, a bike or a car might stop but the truck needs so much more distance to release that kinetic energy.

i'm going to go ahead and physics you there.
a truck will stop faster than a bike, all other things being equal. it has m0ar mass and therefore more gravity acting on it to bring it to inertia.

watch crash vids. if you throw a bike down the road it goes for fucken ages. a truck comes to a stop comparatively quickly.

[Jeeper]

i'm going to go ahead and physics you there.
a truck will stop faster than a bike, all other things being equal. it has m0ar mass and therefore more gravity acting on it to bring it to inertia.

watch crash vids. if you throw a bike down the road it goes for fucken ages. a truck comes to a stop comparatively quickly.

A ship and a dingy doing same speed, just based on water resistance and gravitational forces, who would come to a stop faster?

[Akzle]

A ship and a dingy doing same speed, just based on water resistance and gravitational forces, who would come to a stop faster?

describe this "dinghy"

[Scuba_Steve]

I give to you the Volvo big rig, 40 tonnes stopping faster than you can stop a 1.6 tonne cage; yes they weigh more but they also haz more brakes & this one even fancy elematronics. No human interaction required


& here it is not hitting a stupid kid, whom will hopefully now be more intelligence on the road now



Dependent on operator & vehicle features a bike can stop faster than a car but a big rig can stop faster than both

[Moi]

A sobering read.

All the best.

[nzspokes]

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Thanks for that Simon, may I steal the post to post in other places? I feel it will be reality check.

All the best.

[Daffyd]

Dependent on operator & vehicle features a bike can stop faster than a car but a big rig can stop faster than both

I recall back in my yoof, hearing the story of an articulated flat deck carrying a dozer on a long straight at night in the Lumsden area. This truck was fitted with air brakes, not all that common in those days. He came across a woman parked in the middle of the lane in her Morris Minor with no lights.

The controller for said brakes was a type of ratchet device with ten notches. He had never been past no.3. On seeing the lady in front he applied full air braking, notch no.10. When he recovered from the initial shock he found he was sitting on the road, still in his cab with his cab touching the back bumper of the MM, the bulldozer sitting on the road behind him, and the flatdeck at the back.

[Murray]

Anyway, I made the mistake of asking him if he knew anything about the motorcycle fatalities this year. And he does. In fact, he shared the special crash unit reports with me. And it doesn't make good reading.

Leaving aside the accident on the 4th Feb, there have been 12 fatalities this year. I think I can remember what they all were. My apologies if I don't remember exactly. My memory is not perfect. In three days it will be five months since a significant motorcycle accident, one the Police determined to be completely not my fault and which the other party is being sentenced in eight days for. One of them was a genuine "not at fault" accident, where a rider was taken out by a vehicle coming around a blind corner by someone on the wrong side of the road.

Three were loss of control on a corner with the rider going off the road and hitting a post or other road furniture.

One was a German tourist who had borrowed a motorcycle from a friend to ride to Castlepoint. He left near the end of the day, with not much traffic on the road. And rode 2.5 kilometres before slamming head on into a truck. He was riding on the right hand side of the road.

And seven were due to poor decision making in an overtaking manouevre, with a disconcerting amount of these being due to riders coming up to a line of cars going slowly, and making the decision to gap it past the line at speed, only to impact with the car at the front of the line, which had started to turn. In every case, other witnesses stated that the car at the front was clearly indicating their intention to turn - something not seen (it is speculated) by the motorcyclist.
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So the big question is "How many were involved in a group ride trying to keep up"?

[nerrrd]

Well, getting back to reality for a minute...when it goes wrong (and it sometimes does) you had better be ready - through training, good choices, and maybe stupid dumb luck - and I hope you get through without having to experience the pain I have.

Thanks for posting this, a very well written reality check (Kiwibiker?? Reality??? Weird.)

I wish I could say with confidence that I will be ready, but I suspect dumb luck will be the biggest factor if or when the time comes.

Hope your recovery continues.

[neels]

At last someone else who is bright enough unlike others on here who see there is a luck factor and its the luck factor that will save you if someone else is at fault, for the simple reason it is them and not you who controls the speed and distance from you when they screw up.

Did you not read the bit where it was described as a not-at-fault accident, but things could have been done by the rider to avoid or minimise the accident?

Complete abdication of responsibility also implies complete abdication of thinking.

Quote Akzle[ you're a fuckwit [/Akzle

[FJRider]

Yes I read that bit but when its a another party screwing up he could have either been going much faster or much slower and in both cases he would have missed the car that did not give way. There was a crash near Methven a few years back where a car driver did not give way and killed a woman and 3 kids (I think) and it was reported in the media the car not at fault was doing the speed limit but had they been going faster or slower they would have avoided the car that hit them. As I said before its a luck thing if someone else screws up coming towards you if you are able to get away from them. It has been said there are many crashes that happen below the speed limit so slowing down will not necessarily save you.

One of the causes of accidents that's pretty common is failing to give way. Expect that others will not give way. So if you see vehicles waiting to pull out into your path ... watch them ... the DRIVER especially Even slow down a little (you could also flash your lights if you are unsure they have seen you) ... especially if you are at open road speeds. By the risk of losing a few seconds of your busy day ... you reduce the risk of losing the rest of your life. You don't (usually) need to stop and give way to them ... but slowing gives more time to brake ... should you need too.

OR ... you could do nothing (IGNORE them completely as you are in the right) and then (possibly) let them kill you. The choice is your's ... walking away from an accident is preferable to being carried away (dead or alive).