Engagement With Motorcyclists

[AllanB]

Road Safety Coordinator for the Selwyn District

Cool - I'd send you the location of some pot holes that you can get fixed

I hope you are not responsible for the lowered speed (now 80) between Lincoln and TaiTapu. My Ducati is protesting about this.

[AllanB]

Oh and drop (I know, how weird) the speed limit through the shopping part of Lincoln town on the main road. I cant believe the speed knobs driving through do (I blame the out of towners, locals know there are two pedestrian crossings). From the Police station to art gallery will do.

[russd7]

Agricultural machinery on the road in low light situations and no lights...

and those pricks in tractors that drive down the road at night with their bloody plow lights on blinding you as you approach after you realize that vehicle you are approaching at twice their speed is actually traveling on your side of the road and in the same direction, their should be no warnings for those bastards, pull em over give em a big arse ticket then get up and smash their bloody plow lights, inconsiderate cnuts they are.

[GazzaH]

Ban intersections.

And traffic lights with vehicle sensors.

More mini roundabouts please.

And speed bumps with gaps.

And wide centre partings - "motorbike lanes".

[caspernz]

which is one of my bug bears about you iam folks. requiring a driving license and vehicle license, neither of which is indiciative of, nor inducive to, not-being-a-fuckwit-on-the-road.

but y'know... safety and shit.

What does my pet food affiliation have to do with this topic? About as logical as suggesting that just because one can walk upright without knuckles dragging, one is thus devoid of ape like thinking.

The basic question posed by RC is valid, how does one encourage fence sitters to have a closer look. Not about forcing anyone, merely trying to overcome the peer pressure that some riders have in partaking in post license training.

But yeah safety and shit...

When I bought the idea up on here of safer riders paying a lower ACC than those with an "at fault" history no one was keen on the idea as everyone was in fear of being at fault or had an at fault history. Are you agreeing with me that a discount from ACC would be a good idea for safe riders?

No not agreeing with you at all, for ACC at present is a simple not-at-fault compensation scheme. Now whilst I'd support some sort of carrot for bikers to partake in post license training, the practicalities are a headache

[Scuba_Steve]

Road Safety Coordinator for the Selwyn District

Grats, definitely a step up from tax collector

[caseye]

Well done that man, a position that will give you plenty to do from day 1, keep fighting the good fight Rastus.

[Moi]

... Another biggie is intersections.

I presume you've seen the single red/orange flashing light system that is used in the US and Canada at crossroads? A single red flashing light faces traffic that has a STOP sign, a single flashing orange faces traffic that has no sign. Some had the flashing red light at the top of the post which holds the STOP sign.

The flashing light does catch your attention and reminds you of the intersection. Guess it would need a change of regulation to be used here, but might be worth considering. Small cost if it saves injury or someone's life.

[rastuscat]

I presume you've seen the single red/orange flashing light system that is used in the US and Canada at crossroads? A single red flashing light faces traffic that has a STOP sign, a single flashing orange faces traffic that has no sign. Some had the flashing red light at the top of the post which holds the STOP sign.

The flashing light does catch your attention and reminds you of the intersection. Guess it would need a change of regulation to be used here, but might be worth considering. Small cost if it saves injury or someone's life.

I spent years in a blue suit trying to get rules changed. It led to me giving up. Fool's errand.

I might have more influence from the new position.

[Hoonicorn]

Those who are interested in safety will find you whereever you are. At Shiny Side Up, the irony was glaringly obvious - A woman explaining the importance of safety gear to a group of people in a mix of leathers, textiles and hivis. People who are interested in safety and want information go to these kinds of events. Bike shops have Shiny Side Up and Ride Forever posters up, I saw ads on facebook. Some riders just aren't that concerned with safety and won't engage on the subject.

What we need is a safety campaign aimed at drivers to look for motorbikes, not the same speed/drink message over and over.

[Grumph]

I spent years in a blue suit trying to get rules changed. It led to me giving up. Fool's errand.

I might have more influence from the new position.

The previous incumbent ran a very visible campaign on rural intersections - with what looks like a conspicuous lack of success.
You simply can't stop cockies rolling up to an intersection - and rolling on through. They're roads they've driven on all their lives
and they can't/won't take account of the increases in traffic volume - and speed.

[rastuscat]

The previous incumbent ran a very visible campaign on rural intersections - with what looks like a conspicuous lack of success.
You simply can't stop cockies rolling up to an intersection - and rolling on through. They're roads they've driven on all their lives
and they can't/won't take account of the increases in traffic volume - and speed.

That's what led to my OP.

How to get through to people who haven't ever imagined that they might be the nrxt story in The Press.

Nobody thinks it'll happen to them. Nobody ever thinks they might look to their right and not see the oncoming vehicle. Nobody ever thinks they might exceed the coefficient of friction on their rear tyre.

But each day it happens to someone who didn't ever think it would. Or didnt even consider that possibility.

Because if you knew it was going to happen, you'd change something to make sure it didnt.

It's an attitude reinforced by constant reminders that you can do stuff with no adverse outcome. E.g. thousands of people use their phones while driving every day with no adverse outcome.

If you do something often enough with no adverse outcome, your mind convinces you its safe. Because it's not going to happen to you.

Where's the motivation to not use your phone when you've done it hundreds of times with no adverse outcome.

This applies pretty much across the board with crash promoting behaviours.

It wont happen to me, why do I need to change my behaviour.

[Grumph]

Yes, well...Here's a slogan for your next campaign...."The road you know is the road you'll die on "

[Luckylegs]

Yes, well...Here's a slogan for your next campaign...."The road you know is the road you'll die on "

Thats so frickin cliche - got the stats to back that shit up?

[Grumph]

Thats so frickin cliche - got the stats to back that shit up?

No - but from observation the cockies being killed at local intersections here are within 4km or so of home.

Bear in mind it's aimed at rural intersections and people and not specifically at the relatively more intelligent motorcyclist.