Calling all conspiracy theorists - do you believe in this one?

**TheDemonLord** · 11th May 2018, 15:57

Originally Posted by pritch

Y'all got there from chemtrails in just six pages?

When I first saw the thread I recalled that there was already a chemtrail discussion (if I may use that word loosely) hereabout.

Meh - that was boring, Bandit on Marx is interesting.

**TheDemonLord** · 11th May 2018, 15:57

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Look Look - see the violence inherent in the system - I' being oppressed.

Would Rep but must....

**Banditbandit** · 11th May 2018, 15:58

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I'm going to preface this with there is lots I'm not going to quote (mainly cause we agree) - it's not to take out of context.

Oh gawd - it's Friday afternoon and my brain is dead.

I don't know if I can be bothered defending Marx right now - I'm only into his structural sociology - I certain can't defend his political solutions ..

I'll take the weekend to find my brain again - and maybe get back to you ..

But I think I have made my original point - Marx said his solution was historic necessity - and therefore, to "try communism" was to immediately fail ..

Yes - Marx was wrong.

**Viking01** · 11th May 2018, 16:23

Post #87

BB / DL,
An Interesting discussion. Thanks.

One question to DL. You mention that dictatorships have always implemented
a left wing ideology. Can you give me an example or three to illustrate ?

Cheers,
Viking

**TheDemonLord** · 11th May 2018, 16:59

Originally Posted by Viking01

Post #87

BB / DL,
An Interesting discussion. Thanks.

One question to DL. You mention that dictatorships have always implemented
a left wing ideology. Can you give me an example or three to illustrate ?

Cheers,
Viking

Not quite what I said - I said Far-Left Ideology always ends in Dictatorship:

Chairman Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, The Kims etc.

There's been a few Far-right Dictators too, but there doesn't seem to be the same correlation between a Far-right political belief and dictatorship, that there appears to be with the Far-Left. Although in saying that, I'd say it's inline with Horseshoe theory to say that at a certain distance away from the political centre, a Dictatorship become inevitable.

**TheDemonLord** · 11th May 2018, 17:00

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Oh gawd - it's Friday afternoon and my brain is dead.

I don't know if I can be bothered defending Marx right now - I'm only into his structural sociology - I certain can't defend his political solutions ..

I'll take the weekend to find my brain again - and maybe get back to you ..

But I think I have made my original point - Marx said his solution was historic necessity - and therefore, to "try communism" was to immediately fail ..

Yes - Marx was wrong.

But but but, I was just getting warmed up!

**Viking01** · 11th May 2018, 17:08

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Not quite what I said - I said Far-Left Ideology always ends in Dictatorship:

Chairman Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, The Kims etc.

There's been a few Far-right Dictators too, but there doesn't seem to be the same correlation between a Far-right political belief and dictatorship, that there appears to be with the Far-Left. Although in saying that, I'd say it's inline with Horseshoe theory to say that at a certain distance away from the political centre, a Dictatorship become inevitable.

Sorry, I mis-quoted you. Correction acknowledged.

Thanks for the additional comments as well.

Cheers

**husaberg** · 11th May 2018, 17:25

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Not quite what I said - I said Far-Left Ideology always ends in Dictatorship:

Chairman Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, The Kims etc.

There's been a few Far-right Dictators too, but there doesn't seem to be the same correlation between a Far-right political belief and dictatorship, that there appears to be with the Far-Left. Although in saying that, I'd say it's inline with Horseshoe theory to say that at a certain distance away from the political centre, a Dictatorship become inevitable.

I cant say I really agree there with the left wing vs right wing dictatorships being any more or less prevalent or less likely to occur and be a result of ideology
If any wing leader is allowed to assume absolute power they get corrupted just the same.

**Oakie** · 11th May 2018, 17:45

Originally Posted by sugilite

Naturally I have no idea what the hell the trail is, vapor or otherwise.

Actually ice crystals. Water vapour exits the jet engine and turns to ice crystals due to the extreme cold up there. Essentially it is a high level cloud which is why they hang about a bit.

**Viking01** · 11th May 2018, 19:16

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/426249-karl...capital-labor/

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/423921-puti...ia-capitalism/

**Grumph** · 11th May 2018, 19:28

Originally Posted by Oakie

Actually ice crystals. Water vapour exits the jet engine and turns to ice crystals due to the extreme cold up there. Essentially it is a high level cloud which is why they hang about a bit.

Waaay too simplistic. Where are the required twenty paragraphs of footnotes ?

Not saying you're wrong - just stunned someone here can sum it up in a paragraph.....

**Katman** · 11th May 2018, 20:40

Originally Posted by Oakie

Actually ice crystals. Water vapour exits the jet engine and turns to ice crystals due to the extreme cold up there. Essentially it is a high level cloud which is why they hang about a bit.

Do you accept that there is such a thing as geo-engineering going on?

**TheDemonLord** · 12th May 2018, 00:51

Originally Posted by husaberg

I cant say I really agree there with the left wing vs right wing dictatorships being any more or less prevalent or less likely to occur and be a result of ideology
If any wing leader is allowed to assume absolute power they get corrupted just the same.

I was thinking on this very thing - and I think I can put forward an explanation as to why in the historical record - we see that Extreme left wing always produces a Dictator and the Extreme right only sometimes does.

I talked earlier about the Left not wanting to exclude people or to draw borders around thing (this is a temperamental trait of people who identify as Left) whereas the Right are all about having borders between things (again a temperamental thing) - and it's this that I think means that the Left are more susceptible to Dictators - the group is unwilling to expel a rotten apple, in the same way that the Right wing is generally more happy to do.

However, that doesn't address the opposite - then I thought on one of the most right-wing organizations - the Military. And this is my conjecture - in the Military, you have Ranks. In theory - an advance in Rank is made on the basis of Competence, decided by a group of superiors. Right up until you get to the top brass - so, who leads ultimately? The person who is determined by their peers as the most competent to lead.

This is what I think (somewhat) protects a far-right viewpoint from Dictatorship - that the person who leads is put their by a consensus of their Peers AND that right-wing types are happy to expel someone who falls outside of where they happen to draw the boundary.

**Oakie** · 12th May 2018, 10:00

Originally Posted by Katman

Do you accept that there is such a thing as geo-engineering going on?

If we are talking about 'climate engineering' which is the specific meaning, I accept the theory, I accept that it is possible and that it was seriously explored. I accept that it is still being looked at in relation to mitigating greenhouse gasses and global warming.

I do not accept what the conspiracy people tell us that geo-engineering is being undertaken in secret for nefarious purposes e.g. putting toxic chemicals in the atmoshpere, creating an atmospheric super-weapon, making people sick to the benefit of the drugs companies etc.