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    Quote Originally Posted by sofiathomsons123 View Post
    went to New plymouth on Friday last got a ticket for speeding
    dam it. now this is my story.
    doing 105 ish down a big steep hill just before the awakino gorge some place starting with M but anyway this hill three lanes down hill anyway saw the 50klms temp for road works but rounded a gentle right and pinged at 81 klms not more than 100m in the zone. $300 plus 40 merit points.
    I was real nice to the man but he hit me anyway.
    so I recon I was real hard done by this time but is it worth writing to the police and point out the sillyness of it all?
    Has anyone here ever got a let off for writing in to the police? if so how did you do it? were you greasing or firm whats the secret?
    of shall I just pay up and move on? is a court hearing expensive and how much? If there are any traffic Police listening
    F**K UP frankly
    Many fukwits come off the road, over and under the speed limit. They also cause accidents and loss of life, over and under the speed limit. It is not their speed that is the issue, but it is their unsafe usage of the road.

    400 people die on the road each year and pinging safe road users is the state's answer (not the Police). Pretty pathetic really. It just takes too much work and effort to focus on dangerous road users, so we have to accept that those stats are needed to (falsely) demonstrate that something is being done, when clearly it is not.

    Endorsing unsafe driving, within the speed limit, is not what the Police should be doing, but it the effect of what we are seeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Tips On How To Avoid Having To Post Woe About Tickets On KB

    Don't do stuff that provides an opportunity for an enthusiastic Popo to record your details on an invoice.

    Simple, really.

    Don't want speeding tickets? Don't speed.

    Don't want seatbelt tickets? Wear your seatbelt.

    Don't want cellphone tickets? Stay off your cellphone while riding/driving.

    Don't want tickets for not stopping at stop signs? Stop. Don't just slow down or pause, actually stop.

    Don't want tickets for riding like a plonker? Don't ride like a plonker.

    Following these tips would go a long way to save internet bandwidth discussing how to get off tickets.

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    Writing in is a waste of time. One time I did I pointed out a wrong rego number was recorded on ticket. They then committed evidence fraud by altering the record of evidence. Technically a new ticket should have been issued but they wrote back admitting their crime saying “ all reference to the wrong number has been removed from the records”.... For an $80 ticket is wasn’t worth a journey to a town five hours away and a $10000 legal fight to prove my point and embarrass them...

    That was good seven years ago... my latest $30 transgression on way to work is just a small fee to pay for the freedom to drive how I like. Divide it up by number of times you don’t get caught and it’s conpletely insignificant.... but demerit points suck tho....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Tips On How To Avoid Having To Post Woe About Tickets On KB

    Don't do stuff that provides an opportunity for an enthusiastic Popo to record your details on an invoice.

    Simple, really.

    Don't want speeding tickets? Don't speed.

    Don't want seatbelt tickets? Wear your seatbelt.

    Don't want cellphone tickets? Stay off your cellphone while riding/driving.

    Don't want tickets for not stopping at stop signs? Stop. Don't just slow down or pause, actually stop.

    Don't want tickets for riding like a plonker? Don't ride like a plonker.

    Following these tips would go a long way to save internet bandwidth discussing how to get off tickets.
    It's almost as though if you do the right thing, Mr Plod doesn't take your money and/or licence from you.. Funny that...

    I'm by no means a saint, when I was a teenager razzing around my state on an R6 I rode like an absolute tosser. I ended up losing my licence. I could have written in when I got my court summons and said "But sir, when your camera got me at double the speed limit, I was slowing down, so you should let me off" but then I realised that was a stupid argument and that I should shut up, suck it up, pay the man and buy a new pair of walking shoes.

    (Not saying you're going to lose your licence, and I'm very aware that I live in a different country but seeing as you just said that you knew the limit changed and decided to carry on regardless, you've made your bed and now it's time to sleep in it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    ...It's a bit unfair to ping you just into a temporary speed limit as nearly everyone takes their time slowing down...
    I thought that the speed changed at the speed limit sign... not a bit further on or just down the road a bit...

    But then again, I've been known to be wrong...

    And I thought, if you wanted to slow down, you used your brakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Writing in is a waste of time. One time I did I pointed out a wrong rego number was recorded on ticket. They then committed evidence fraud by altering the record of evidence. Technically a new ticket should have been issued but they wrote back admitting their crime saying “ all reference to the wrong number has been removed from the records”.... For an $80 ticket is wasn’t worth a journey to a town five hours away and a $10000 legal fight to prove my point and embarrass them...

    That was good seven years ago... my latest $30 transgression on way to work is just a small fee to pay for the freedom to drive how I like. Divide it up by number of times you don’t get caught and it’s conpletely insignificant.... but demerit points suck tho....
    Yes indeed. Life's too short.

    AND every time I do get stopped for a petty reason, like choosing to slow slowly through the gears, rather than using the brakes; I am always appreciative of the many times I have not been stopped for far more serious speeding

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    That's why signs are red and white, with black numbers, so you can see them even before you get to them.

    If you start slowing down when you first see them the "it's not fair" argument looks a little insignificant.

    We have developed an expectation of tolerance. For this reason tend to ride within the tolerance.

    The speed in the OP is well above the tolerance. Save the price of the stamp. Suck it up.
    i've noticed a lot of road works don't bother removing or altering signage when they are not working on it, i get 30km's when staff are there but later on a lot could be changed to 50 or 70 so it's tough to adhere to when you see a two km straight in the middle of nowhere that clearly isn't 30km/h when you're on it, I also note a lot now have signs warning you a there's a restriction ahead, wonder how consistent these are and do people get used to seeing the first sign as a warning, so if there isn't a warning one first they take a long time to slow at the actual sign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    I thought that the speed changed at the speed limit sign... not a bit further on or just down the road a bit....
    You could be right. But then quite a few people have the impression that there is a magic 250m radius of non-enforcement where speed limits change.

    Can't imagine what gives them that impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    You could be right. But then quite a few people have the impression that there is a magic 250m radius of non-enforcement where speed limits change.

    Can't imagine what gives them that impression.
    Thanks, that was interesting reading.

    Can see why some do think there's a "magic 250m zone".

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    Might the place beginning with "M" be Mahoenui? There used to often be a HP car parked by the fire station. That was years ago but I still watch for it.

    The temporary speed limits are dangerous now if at 40kph over, or whatever, you may be walking. It would be easy to exceed the magic number on road works so I take a lot more notice of those particular signs than I used to. As has been pointed out though, often they are completely unnecessary and seem to be an exercise in arse covering by the roading crew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    That's why signs are red and white, with black numbers, so you can see them even before you get to them.

    If you start slowing down when you first see them the "it's not fair" argument looks a little insignificant.

    We have developed an expectation of tolerance. For this reason tend to ride within the tolerance.

    The speed in the OP is well above the tolerance. Save the price of the stamp. Suck it up.
    Oh, tosh.

    OP needs to spend a couple of grand on a lawyer - at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Might the place beginning with "M" be Mahoenui? There used to often be a HP car parked by the fire station. That was years ago but I still watch for it.

    The temporary speed limits are dangerous now if at 40kph over, or whatever, you may be walking. It would be easy to exceed the magic number on road works so I take a lot more notice of those particular signs than I used to. As has been pointed out though, often they are completely unnecessary and seem to be an exercise in arse covering by the roading crew.
    Here's a little potted review of the penalties available in the new HSWA. The sea change has been that directors of companies can be made personally liable for failings of a company, and you can't contract out of HSWA liability (i.e. your D & O insurance does not cover) plus the significant penalties for companies ($3M fine). So, people are at last taking work safety seriously.

    Absolutely there is reams of arse cover and some pointless safety-wank, but particularly in an environment as fraught as road works, they will err on the side of too much than insufficient. It isnt the road crew driving it (so to speak) it is their managers and ultimately their company directors.

    Its mostly a good thing in my view. I acknowledge that it increases costs of compliance and training and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    i've noticed a lot of road works don't bother removing or altering signage when they are not working on it, i get 30km's when staff are there but later on a lot could be changed to 50 or 70 so it's tough to adhere to when you see a two km straight in the middle of nowhere that clearly isn't 30km/h when you're on it, I also note a lot now have signs warning you a there's a restriction ahead, wonder how consistent these are and do people get used to seeing the first sign as a warning, so if there isn't a warning one first they take a long time to slow at the actual sign?
    There is a set of standards and rules and I know of couple of cases where cops have fined STM type operators for failing to remove signs. The problem is when works are finished some council type has to sign off the work is done but if signs out too long it is an offence. But its funnfy how real dangerous stuff like mobile roadworks eg roadmarking does not need speed limits. Some years ago I watched two trucks approaching mine at the start of a curved passing lane, the rear truck was too close to see the roadmarker in fast lane and pulled out to pass the other truck..... All three of us needed a change of under wear and the road marker crew probably suffered some tyre smoke inhalation on a serious level.....

    Trouble is there are so much roadworks everywhere its prob hard for average joe to ring up and complain accurately and wrongly signposted sites....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sofiathomsons123 View Post
    went to New plymouth on Friday last got a ticket for speeding
    dam it. now this is my story.
    doing 105 ish down a big steep hill just before the awakino gorge some place starting with M but anyway this hill three lanes down hill anyway saw the 50klms temp for road works but rounded a gentle right and pinged at 81 klms not more than 100m in the zone. $300 plus 40 merit points.
    I was real nice to the man but he hit me anyway.
    so I recon I was real hard done by this time but is it worth writing to the police and point out the sillyness of it all?
    Has anyone here ever got a let off for writing in to the police? if so how did you do it? were you greasing or firm whats the secret?
    of shall I just pay up and move on? is a court hearing expensive and how much? If there are any traffic Police listening
    F**K UP frankly

    I don't think it's worth it. Sometimes shit happens ...

    A while ago I was doing 185 klicks to catch my mates - when I realized the car coming towards me was white with blue and yellow stripes ... as I got close he turned his lights on, wagged his finger at me ... turned his lights off and kept going .. another one got me at 114 klicks - did the song and dance and gave me a ticket ..

    I figure it balances out ..
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofiathomsons123 View Post
    went to New plymouth on Friday last got a ticket for speeding
    dam it. now this is my story.
    doing 105 ish down a big steep hill just before the awakino gorge some place starting with M but anyway this hill three lanes down hill anyway saw the 50klms temp for road works but rounded a gentle right and pinged at 81 klms not more than 100m in the zone. $300 plus 40 merit points.
    I was real nice to the man but he hit me anyway.
    so I recon I was real hard done by this time but is it worth writing to the police and point out the sillyness of it all?
    Has anyone here ever got a let off for writing in to the police? if so how did you do it? were you greasing or firm whats the secret?
    of shall I just pay up and move on? is a court hearing expensive and how much? If there are any traffic Police listening
    F**K UP frankly
    You are just lucky it didn't happen over in Aus or the parts of the US where penalties are automatically doubled for infractions in temporary speed limit areas.

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