That almost warrants a "is that you Cassina" reply Its such a ridiculous statement.Originally Posted by Grumph
You would be OK then if they were doing it over NZ?
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That almost warrants a "is that you Cassina" reply Its such a ridiculous statement.
You would be OK then if they were doing it over NZ?
Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman
Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.
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Pot-Kettle. You're like the spawn of Cassina and her Brother you're that fucking thick.
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The US air force subjected North Koreans to three years of ‘rain and ruin’. It was a living nightmare – one that still haunts the country to this day
Americans once carpet-bombed North Korea. It's time to remember that past https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...mber-that-past
The U.S. war crime North Korea won’t forget https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.4df2a19a429a
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North Korea: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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5 January: In late 2017 someone with access to top secret Chinese documents leaked a four page outline of a particularly damaging 15 September Chinese proposal to North Korea. This was actually an attractive (for North Korea) secret ultimatum. China demanded that North Korea stop developing and testing nuclear weapons. North Korea would be allowed to keep those nukes it already had (believed to be as many as twenty) and in return China would secretly supply North Korea with new missile technology and other military assistance as well as help in defying economic sanctions and whatever it takes to improve the sorry state of the North Korean military and living standards in general.
If North Korea did not accept then China would first go after senior North Korean leaders and their families and strictly enforce all the sanctions and continue in that direction until North Korea behaved. In the document China said it did not believe the Americans would really attack, but that was more of a possibility now than in the past. It is unclear what deadline was associated with this proposal or if North Korea had actually received it. There was a high level meeting between Chinese and North Korean officials in North Korea on 17 November but nothing public came from that. North Korea now definitely knows about the 15 September document and now North Korea wants to talk peace with South Korea.
Non-government experts agree the document looks authentic (format, typeface, phrasing of the text) and the Chinese government will not comment, nor will the CIA or any other major intelligence agency. With what China knows about current affairs across the border it is easier to understand how the Chinese see the “threat” differently. The North Korean threat to China is rather absurdist; “push us North Koreans too far and we will bleed all over you” (with millions of refugees that will be expensive to help). This is not as spectacular as a nuclear threat, but more likely. The Chinese know (as do most senior North Korean officials) that actual use of nukes by North Korea (whether successful or not) means the end of the North Korean government and possibly much of the population as well. The traditional (and still quite popular) Chinese strategy is to try and make deals with enough members of the senior North Korean leadership to carry out a coup. Even if that does not succeed the growing paranoia among the senior leadership leads to weakening of the North Korean government as more key people flee or become ineffective lest they do something that is deemed treasonous.
The document specifically gives the North Korean ruling class protection, if the rulers agree.
The secret ultimatum is based on the belief that China is more exposed to damage from a North Korean collapse than South Korea or Japan. In other words, the North Korean ICBM is more of a political prop than a military threat. In the meantime there are more indications that the North Korea underground nuclear test site, which is close to the Chinese border, is leaking radioactivity and that this is causing alarm in northeast China. This is but a small taste of what China would have to deal with if there was a collapse of the North Korean government and a flood of refugees heading for the largely unfortified Chinese border. This is a very real threat and not something the Chinese want to deal with, especially if a lot of those refugees suffer from radiation poisoning and many diseases that are rarely encountered in China these days. China cannot admit that it is actually hoping for a military coup that would preserve public order in North Korea and justify sending large volumes of aid and getting the nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs dismantled. A disorderly collapse of the North Korean government would make the current Chinese leadership look weak, not something that heads of the communist police state can afford. With all this in mind the secret ultimatum makes sense. It also appears that not everyone on the Chinese side of this agrees with the ultimatum terms. Or maybe it was believed that those terms would never really work.
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Gauging North Korea's nuclear power https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gauging...inkId=46907123
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And NZ is invited .... while Russia and China are not .....
https://www.rt.com/news/416027-us-canada-korea-summit/
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1084928.shtml
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Very interesting noises being made now regarding "One Korea". Slightly unexpected and un-nerving at the same time...
26 January 2018:
It was recently revealed (by commercial satellite photos and other reports) that an April 2016 test of a North Korean Hwasong-12 IRBM (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile) had not only failed (as was reported soon after the missile launch) but that the missile, still containing much of its liquid fuel, landed in the industrial outskirts of Tokchon, a city of 200,000 people about a hundred kilometres northeast of the capital Pyongyang.
The Hwasong-12 was launched from a military base 65 kilometres north of Pyongyang and the missile landed 38 kilometres northeast of the launch site and caused considerable damage on the ground. Any casualties would be considered state secrets in North Korea and it may take a while for the facts to become known.
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Good. I hope it's fucking true.
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What are the drivers that keep the North Korea gun smouldering? :- https://www.sott.net/article/387570-...52-IADL-report - Stand-over tactics #1 tactics for Trump? - Yeah right, that will do it every time! -.
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Its fairly clear that the plan in Singers is to kidnap KJU and substitute him.
Or are the Koreans thinking something similar.
Either way they will decide in the first few seconds.
Better still just replace the pair of them with these guys.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.4312c8f44640
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
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[QUOTE=Voltaire;1131100851]Better still just replace the pair of them with these guys.[quote]
Would it really make any difference if they did? - Well maybe the Korean might.
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Trump managed to secure peace between North and South Korea - something no US president has been able to do in 60? odd years.
I can just imagine now the strained faces of his harshest critiques as they first try and find a way to diminish his role in just getting the 2 leaders to talk to each other and then realizing that maybe he wasn't so unqualified to begin with....
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Its not a very good comparison but shaking hands with Dictators has been done before, Oh you can have that country, we don't even know where it is.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
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Sort of like when Britain gave away Palestine to the Zionists and it ended up in the hands of this guy?
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