North Korea

**TheDemonLord** · 13th June 2018, 11:51

Originally Posted by oldrider

Shaking hands with one hand while pointing a 45 at his temple with the other? - Yeah that should be worth a "peace prize".

Interesting analogy.

At the end of a conflict, almost all peace is initially brought about at the barrel of a Gun.

If the outcome is that both parties can sit down and talk, is it wrong that to implied force was used to get them to that point?

The key part of any negotiation is to know the things that you want, to know what things you can and cannot compromise on and to know the same about your opposition and further to know what they cannot afford to loose.

If we remove the firearm analogy and go for something a little more mundane: Asking for a pay rise - you know what you want (more money) you know that you can negotiate on a figure, but there is a figure below which you won't accept it. You also need to know what your company can afford to pay out and you need to know what the impact of your departure will be to the company should you leave.

There is still a degree of implied force - namely "If you don't meet this minimum figure, I will look elsewhere for a job" and hopefully if you are a good employee, with marketable skills - the outcome of you leaving is less desirable than the outcome of paying you more money.

Point to all this is:

If it gets people to Talk, a little implied violence is a good thing. The trick is - to remain talking and not to move from an implicit violence, to an explicit one.

As a side note, I wonder if North Korea's recent nuclear tests have given them some degree of confidence that they can now negotiate with the US as some form of Equal?

**TheDemonLord** · 13th June 2018, 11:52

Originally Posted by oldrider

No offence taken - 2% of the world population 98% of representation in world affairs - don't you think that Jewish affairs attract attention with figures like that?

115 average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews.

If success in the system is related to hard work and intelligence - it's little to no wonder that a small minority of Jews are over-represented in all the senior positions.

Conspiracy need not apply,

**Katman** · 13th June 2018, 11:58

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

115 average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews.

Jews of European descent - with no historical ties to the Middle East.

**Berries** · 13th June 2018, 13:31

Originally Posted by oldrider

No offence taken - 2% of the world population 98% of representation in world affairs - don't you think that Jewish affairs attract attention with figures like that?

Nope.

I was going to suggest that it is not going to alter the price of butter but then I noticed how similar the words Fonterra and Hezbollah sound. Must be a Youtube channel dedicated to that somewhere....................

**oldrider** · 13th June 2018, 14:10

Originally Posted by Berries

Nope.

I was going to suggest that it is not going to alter the price of butter but then I noticed how similar the words Fonterra and Hezbollah sound. Must be a Youtube channel dedicated to that somewhere....................

Actually it is an extremely interesting subject just don't get angry and emotional should the fog begin to clear - it doesn't help and it won't make any difference! - If there is a problem it is IMO usually us! (goyum/non Jews)

Business is business after all.

**EJK** · 13th June 2018, 16:20

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

And yet...

It was Trump that did it.

Not Obama.
Not Bush Jr.
Not Clinton.
Not Bush Sr.
Not Reagan.
Not Carter.
Not Ford.
Not Nixon.
Not Johnson.
Not Kennedy.
Not Eisenhower
and Not Truman.

And whilst I'm sure sanctions, withdrawal of international support and the Death of Kim Jong Il all had a part to play, I also suspect that Trump's rhetoric directed at the Regime was ALSO a factor.

I'd like to say it only happened on Trump's time. Past South Korean presidents also had been ignorant and fraudulent, and Kim Jong Il was still alive.

Trump nearly blew the deal when he wrote the letter couple weeks back saying the Summit was a no go.

Current President Moon is the true unsung hero. After Trump's letter he immediately went to North Korea to talk with Kim to discuss options and regain faith. No previous South Korea president would've done that. They weren't interested, only pocketing money into their private accounts.

President Moon has worked so hard to talk with North Korea and Kim. These things are not reported much on western news (because it's not as interesting as Trump's tweets) but a lot of activities and joint works have been conducted, including Pyeongchang winter olympics.

**Katman** · 13th June 2018, 16:46

I'm sure John Bolton saying that if North Korea didn't do what America wanted, they'd go the same way as Libya, didn't help matters.

**husaberg** · 13th June 2018, 17:22

Originally Posted by jasonu

So are you saying if this all pans out well Trump is still shit for being involved?
If the old whore had won or the last schmuck was still in charge this would have never happened.

No Jace what I was saying that Trump deserves little credit for any peace deal, as they had already sorted that prior to Trumps visit.

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I'm not saying anything bad about Truman. To me it speaks volumes that people can't bring themselves to put aside their bias and dislike for the Trump, to acknowledge that he's actually done something ground breaking for World Peace. Even if North Korea remains "at war" with the US and South Korea, simply meeting and shaking hands is something momentous in it's significance.

And that alone makes him infinitely more deserving of a certain Nobel Prize awarded to a certain other US president (who didn't really do a whole lot for World Peace, except maybe kill Bin Laden)

Dislike for trump has nothing to do with not giving him credit for any peace deal he didn't take part in.
EJK sums it up above.

**TheDemonLord** · 13th June 2018, 17:35

Originally Posted by EJK

I'd like to say it only happened on Trump's time. Past South Korean presidents also had been ignorant and fraudulent, and Kim Jong Il was still alive.

Trump nearly blew the deal when he wrote the letter couple weeks back saying the Summit was a no go.

Current President Moon is the true unsung hero. After Trump's letter he immediately went to North Korea to talk with Kim to discuss options and regain faith. No previous South Korea president would've done that. They weren't interested, only pocketing money into their private accounts.

President Moon has worked so hard to talk with North Korea and Kim. These things are not reported much on western news (because it's not as interesting as Trump's tweets) but a lot of activities and joint works have been conducted, including Pyeongchang winter olympics.

Certainly a possibility.

Another is that Trump knew precisely what he was doing, just like when he called Taiwan direct. It's entirely possible he's playing it like a high-pressure business negotiation, keeping his opposition on their toes.

Also - your description of Trumps actions vs Moons actions - sounds rather like the classic "Good Cop, Bad Cop" routine...

My point however, is that various groups of people are doing everything within their power to downplay or mitigate the role Trump has had in these events.

**EJK** · 13th June 2018, 17:55

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Certainly a possibility.

Another is that Trump knew precisely what he was doing, just like when he called Taiwan direct. It's entirely possible he's playing it like a high-pressure business negotiation, keeping his opposition on their toes.

Also - your description of Trumps actions vs Moons actions - sounds rather like the classic "Good Cop, Bad Cop" routine...

My point however, is that various groups of people are doing everything within their power to downplay or mitigate the role Trump has had in these events.

True. Trump did play his part. Not sure the situation may had been the same if he was Bush or Obama. Obama... Maybe. Bush? Doubt it.

I just hate to see everyone giving Trump all the praise like he did all the work. Nobel prize... Get fucked.

**Graystone** · 13th June 2018, 18:04

Originally Posted by EJK

True. Trump did play his part. Not sure the situation may had been the same if he was Bush or Obama. Obama... Maybe. Bush? Doubt it.

I just hate to see everyone giving Trump all the praise like he did all the work. Nobel prize... Get fucked.

Third string at best, behind the leaders of South Korea, North Korea, and probably China as well. US are just shouting the loudest as they dwindle into obscurity behind the true economic superpowers (and no Oldy, it's not the Jews FFS), Trump is the perfect president to pull that off.

**oldrider** · 13th June 2018, 19:56

Originally Posted by Graystone

Third string at best, behind the leaders of South Korea, North Korea, and probably China as well. US are just shouting the loudest as they dwindle into obscurity behind the true economic superpowers (and no Oldy, it's not the Zionists FFS), Trump is the perfect president to pull that off.

OK - Keep your eye on the banks - currently three countries left without Rothschild federal reserve style central banks - North Korea, Syria and Iran! -

- Watch this space?

**husaberg** · 13th June 2018, 20:09

Originally Posted by oldrider

No offence taken - 2% of the world population 98% of representation in world affairs - don't you think that Jewish affairs attract attention with figures like that?

2% of the population yet 100% of your posts.
At least Katspam has the imagination to have multiple Paranoid delusions.........

**jasonu** · 14th June 2018, 02:28

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

My point however, is that various groups of people are doing everything within their power to downplay or mitigate the role Trump has had in these events.

You should hear the USA Lib media. Pick pick pick..... totally unexpected though.
Doesn't matter what he might do, if it is good they will say it was already in the works before he got in, if it is bad, well you know.....
A lot like the Labour supporters blaming National for the tooth fairy's ineptitude.