Labour

**FJRider** · 22nd June 2018, 17:08

Originally Posted by Katman

You clearly underestimated the standard of fucking filth this site counts as members.

OR ... the standard of filth some members feel they need to use ... to make a post.

**FJRider** · 22nd June 2018, 17:56

Originally Posted by jasonu

Lets face it. Living in NZ is a fucking rip off if earning $100,000 isn't enough to make ends meet.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12075757

They're not living in NZ ... they're living (for want of a better word) in Auckland ...

But if they couldn't/didn't figure out they couldn't live on a $100,000 lifestyle on a $50,000 income without changing their lifestyle ...

Kids cost money ... a parent has to look after it (with resulting loss of wages/salary) or you pay somebody to look after it ...

Some on lower incomes can't figure out why they can't have booze and smokes ... AND food ... and still own a flash car like "everybody else" ...

**Katman** · 22nd June 2018, 18:53

Originally Posted by FJRider

OR ... the standard of filth some members feel they need to use ... to make a post.

If the word fuck offends you - stiff fucking shit.

I've got nothing but contempt for fuckwits who feel the need to mask their own failings in life by criticising the physical appearances of women in power.

Helen Clark was constantly subjected to the same misogynist rants.

**husaberg** · 22nd June 2018, 18:57

Originally Posted by Katman

If the word fuck offends you - stiff fucking shit.

I've got nothing but contempt for fuckwits who feel the need to mask their own failings in life by criticising the physical appearances of women in power.

Helen Clark was constantly subjected to the same misogynist raving.

No not even her husband ever complimented her appearence
I would wager even you you referred to Muldoon as being "piggy" more than once.
"Big norm" wasn't about Norman Kirk being being tall either.
Lange weight was open fodder.

**Ocean1** · 22nd June 2018, 19:36

Originally Posted by Voltaire

So people on $16 an hour are better off than in the 50's?.....hmmmmm.

I can't say I recall seeing beggars in NZ before the 00's, saw lots when I lived in London in the 80's

The above was an example, I'm no longer on the tools.

Yes. If you don't believe that then list the assets they have access to.

Yes, same reason, if pays better than it used to. Fuck, according to tax paid/benefits accrued over half of the population are beggars. It pays A LOT.

So you didn't like something and changed it. Why aren't you doing more of that instead of bitching about how hard we've got it?

Also; read the book.

**sidecar bob** · 22nd June 2018, 19:45

Originally Posted by husaberg

No not even her husband ever complimented her appearence
I would wager even you you referred to Muldoon as being "piggy" more than once.
"Big norm" wasn't about Nrman Kirk being being tall either.
Lange weight was open fodder.

Yes yes, but i dont think you understand how smug it makes one feel to attack from the moral high ground.

**husaberg** · 22nd June 2018, 19:54

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Electrician Salary in 1997 $45K- House- $200K- 5 x F....I....V....E

Electrician Salary in 2017 $60K- House $1000 000 16x

( real Auckland numbers not stats)

Beats me how Teachers, Nurses and anyone on less than $30 an hour gets by, glad I'm no longer on the tools.

Thats what happens when you think quantitive easing will get your economy going, it all goes into assets.

1997 NZ population 3.7 million Aukaland Population 1.1 million 29% of pop
2017 NZ population 4.7 million Auckland population 1.6 million 36% of pop
That's a 7% increase compared to population average.
IF the same population demographic continued to live outside of Auckland as previously did Auckland house prices would be a lot cheaper.

**husaberg** · 22nd June 2018, 19:55

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Yes yes, but i dont think you understand how smug it makes one feel to attack from the moral high ground.

His high ground is more akin to a chip on his shoulder.

**Voltaire** · 22nd June 2018, 20:11

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Yes. If you don't believe that then list the assets they have access to.

Yes, same reason, if pays better than it used to. Fuck, according to tax paid/benefits accrued over half of the population are beggars. It pays A LOT.

So you didn't like something and changed it. Why aren't you doing more of that instead of bitching about how hard we've got it?

Also; read the book.

I thought KB was about pointless bitching......

What...book......

**Woodman** · 22nd June 2018, 20:33

Originally Posted by Katman

I've got nothing but contempt for fuckwits who feel the need to mask their own failings in life by criticising the physical appearances of women in power.

Helen Clark was constantly subjected to the same misogynist rants.

Its just a bit of a laugh. Are you against humour?

**Ocean1** · 22nd June 2018, 20:44

Originally Posted by Voltaire

I thought KB was about pointless bitching......

What...book......

Good point. Carry on.

Just so long as there's no blaming in there, can't abide all the blamestorming. Besides, katflap has that shtick covered for the entire planet.

This one: https://erpinnews.com/factfulness-summary-hans-rosling

**Voltaire** · 23rd June 2018, 07:10

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Good point. Carry on.

Just so long as there's no blaming in there, can't abide all the blamestorming. Besides, katflap has that shtick covered for the entire planet.

This one: https://erpinnews.com/factfulness-summary-hans-rosling

Interesting article in Herald, although Mike Hoskings

seemed to think otherwise the other day and he would know being a talk back host.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12075757

**Berries** · 23rd June 2018, 08:02

Originally Posted by Voltaire

I can't say there is a lot for kids to look forward to these days, declining living standards, over priced poor quality housing, lack of teachers, low wages, more global debt than just before the last GFC, rise of the far right, China and its one man band, and so on.

I always thought of myself as a glass half empty kind of person but sheesh.

Originally Posted by My Gran in 1938

I can't say there is a lot for kids to look forward to these days, declining living standards, over priced poor quality housing, lack of teachers, low wages, more global debt than just before the last recession, rise of the far right, Germany and its one man band, and so on.

She was wrong, just like you are.

My two kids have an amazing and exciting world out there to look forward to. I just wish I wasn't that old that I won't get to experience it.

Obviously I pity any kids having to grow up in Auckland but hey, Auckland, that seems to account for half the problems you describe.

**Voltaire** · 23rd June 2018, 17:43

Originally Posted by Berries

I always thought of myself as a glass half empty kind of person but sheesh.

She was wrong, just like you are.

My two kids have an amazing and exciting world out there to look forward to. I just wish I wasn't that old that I won't get to experience it.

Obviously I pity any kids having to grow up in Auckland but hey, Auckland, that seems to account for half the problems you describe.

Marvin says:"Yeah your right, other than Granny seeing 20M+ dead, Atom bombs dropped, Thousands returning from the war with PTSD,and half of Europe

stuck behind the Iron Curtain for 30 years it was a grand old time."