The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Katman]

So What about the other multiple lobby groups for religions? or for abortions? or for conservation? or Animal welfare? or oil companies,or Pharmaceuticals ?
Or is it just one group you are worried about? and they just happen to be Jewish

Jewish lobby groups don't lobby for Judaism.

They lobby for Israel.

[husaberg]

Jewish lobby groups don't lobby for Judaism.

They lobby for Israel.

So you are only focused on one lobby group then?
Well in that case they would be a lobby group for Israel then would they not rather than a Jewish lobby group.
It may come as a surprise to you but not all Jewish people live in Israel nor all Israelis are Jewish.

[Katman]

So you are only focused on one lobby group then?
Well in that case they would be a lobby group for Israel then would they not rather than a Jewish lobby group.
It may come as a surprise to you but not all Jewish people live in Israel nor all Israelis are Jewish.

I don't give a fuck whether you call it a Jewish lobby group or an Israeli lobby group.

You can even call it a Zionist lobby group if it makes you feel better.

[pritch]

I don't give a fuck whether you call it a Jewish lobby group or an Israeli lobby group.

You can even call it a Zionist lobby group if it makes you feel better.

Such lobby groups, by whatever name, certainly exist. Some time back, long enough to have forgotten his name but he wasn't particularly important, there was detail of a US politician, his salary was $140,000pa but he had received four million dollars from a Jewish lobby, the NRA, and big pharma IIRC.

The question was asked, "Who do you think he is working for?"

[Katman]

.....he had received four million dollars from a Jewish lobby, the NRA, and big pharma IIRC.

Careful, you'll upset our resident berk.

[husaberg]

I don't give a fuck whether you call it a Jewish lobby group or an Israeli lobby group.

You can even call it a Zionist lobby group if it makes you feel better.

So as long as its not just racially targeted at one group then aye Katman.
Its pretty funny how you and senile non rider are always running your mouth off and going on how "the jews run the world" yet now you claim they actually don't and have to lobby political groups like all the others do.

Careful, you'll upset our resident berk.

Really will they be telling people to fuck off and to suck your cock and then posting abusive rep messages then......
Pritches reply covered the same stuff i had said earlier without the obvious racist connotations so prevalent in your posts.


Maybe you should send a letter to the head of police to get a final solution that you find would solve your Jewish problem
Herman Goering already drafted one up for you to copy

The Reich Marshal of the Greater German Reich
Commissioner for the Four-Year Plan
Chairman of the Ministerial Council for National Defense
Berlin, July 31st 1941

To: SS-Gruppenführer Heydrich

Complementing the task that was assigned to you on January 24th 1939, which dealt with a solution of the Jewish problem through emigration and evacuation as advantageously as possible, I hereby charge you with making all necessary preparations, with regard to organisational and financial matters, for bringing about a total solution of the Jewish question in the German sphere of influence in Europe.

Wherever other governmental agencies are involved, they are to cooperate with you. I charge you furthermore to send me, before long, an overall plan concerning the organisational, factual and material measures necessary for the accomplishment of the desired solution of the Jewish question.

[signed] Goering

[yokel]

That rant, as usual, is rubbish.

The investigators are mostly registered Republicans and have served Republican presidents, some were appointed by Republican presidents. Mueller could not ask the guys he appointed to his team about their political affiliation anyway, that is against the law.

The investigation started weeks before the Steele dossier* came to light. Steele, the author, is a former member of British intelligence and is apparently considered reliable by the allied intelligence community. So calling the dossier fake is a stretch.

The investigation was started when one of Trump's staff, George Papadopolis, boasted to an Australian embassy official while pissed. The Australian diplomat contacted US officials and informed them of the conversation. That was something like two months prior to the Steele dossier surfacing.

Ninety odd indictments, two people jailed, twelve Russians charged - so far. Hell of a "witch hunt". And now Mueller is interviewing Trump's money man which is quite possibly what prompted todays flurry of increasingly desperate tweets.

That's just one investigation though, there are other investigations under way, it's the Southern District of New York prosecutor's office that is investigating Cohen, Trump's former lawyer. The New York State prosecutors are considering charges relating to Trump's allegedly fraudulent charity foundation.

From a justice perspective my money is on Mueller et al. From a political perspective I'm not placing any bets though, because the politicians are bought and paid for.

We'll see.



* In case y'all forgot, that's the golden showers one.

You mean the ones that let Hillary off the hook found some witches on their witch hunt?

This witch hunt amounts to treason and the Steele dossier is UK and state department collusion.

Heads are going to fucking roll.

[yokel]

How about you tell us.

what does it mean when the news of a billionaire heiress has to post 100 million dollars in bond and who is a member of the Clinton Global initiative skips the fabricated news cycle?

https://www.healthnutnews.com/rothsc...ex-slave-ring/

And when there's this recent executive order.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...se-corruption/

You have any clues as to what this is?

https://goo.gl/images/hMcNuz

[pritch]

You mean the ones that let Hillary off the hook found some witches on their witch hunt?

This witch hunt amounts to treason and the Steele dossier is UK and state department collusion.

Heads are going to fucking roll.

The Republicans spent years investigating Hillary and came up blank. Either 'cause they were stupid, or there was nothing to find, or more probably both.

The word treason is bandied about quite a lot but mostly with regard to Trump. Especially after his craven performance at Helsinki. It's a hard sell. The US legal definition of treason is quite tight. Basically there needs to be a war on.

The UK and the USA do 'collude', so to do Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. It's called "Five Eyes".

Heads may indeed roll but probably not the ones you have in mind. Like f'rinstance Trump's former campaign manager who goes on trial in less than seven hours from now.

Onward and upward.

[Voltaire]

Finally a You Tube clip that tells the whole story.

[husaberg]

Heads may indeed roll but probably not the ones you have in mind. Like f'rinstance Trump's former campaign manager who goes on trial in less than seven hours from now.

Onward and upward.

When he said head i am sure he was thinking of Katmans offer to help him out with Stuff.....

Finally a You Tube clip that tells the whole story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LT...ature=youtu.be

That video needs to go in the jokes page
I didn't think the trump sings Havana one could be topped but shit thats as clever as

[pritch]

Finally a You Tube clip that tells the whole story.

Gotta share the love but thanks, that is clever stuff.

[pritch]

Not so long ago I hadn’t even heard of Alexandria, Virginia. Alexandria is where the 'US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia' is situated. The Prosecutor’s office in Alexandria has a number of reasonably high profile cases considering it’s a place nobody much outside of the US of A probably even heard of. That’s where prosecutions are being prepared for Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Kim Dot Com.

Alexandria is a stones throw from Washington DC, just up the road from Alexandria is Langley, headquarters of the CIA. It’s a short drive down the road to Quantico, a big US Marine base and headquarters of the FBI. And so on. What that means is that almost everybody on a jury in Alexandria works for the government. If they don’t, most likely someone in their family does. Unsurprisingly juries in Alexandria tend to arrive at verdicts friendly to the government.

Today the first trial resulting from Mueller’s “witch hunt” got underway in Alexandria. Manafort faces a raft of charges, some serious, some minor. Some of them were just included to apply pressure. And pressure there is. If he is found guilty, being in his sixties, he’ll probably die in prison.

His business partner caved under the pressure and is assisting the inquiry which must make it very difficult for Manafort, but he’s hanging in there. The inference is that he’s doing this to protect somebody or something extremely important. In the coming days or weeks we should get some answers.

[oldrider]

Noam Chomsky: Russian Interference Isn’t Influencing US Elections—But Israel Definitely Is:- http://taxous.com/2018/07/noam-choms...definitely-is/

[husaberg]

Noam Chomsky: Russian Interference Isn’t Influencing US Elections—But Israel Definitely Is:- http://taxous.com/2018/07/noam-choms...definitely-is/

So, take, say, the huge issue of interference in our pristine elections. Did the Russians interfere in our elections? An issue of overwhelming concern in the media. I mean, in most of the world, that’s almost a joke. First of all, if you’re interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support. Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done, I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015. Did Putin come to give an address to the joint sessions of Congress trying to—calling on them to reverse U.S. policy, without even informing the president?

Lets see what your Link says its a bad thing for a Leader of a country to address the US congress
Okay
Indias PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4DEQFII7_s

Japans PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAsaOKamY3E

Nelson Mandela SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0xtQ9Cw25U

UK prime Minister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYiOvW0IS0s

Or the French
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqUc1h7bZQ4

Maybe you should actually check what you post for accuracy before you post it.
The US preseident does not have a say in what other diplomats say to congress.
US congress decides who speaks before it. it has OPENLY stated they would not accept Putin addressing congress.

The leaders of the U.S. Congress, citing Russia's alleged interference in U.S. elections, say they will not invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to address Congress or visit the Capitol if he accepts President Donald Trump's invitation to a second summit in Washington this fall.

On July 24, House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell both rejected any friendly outreach to Putin and expressed disagreement with Trump's embrace of the Russian president in the wake of their one-day summit on July 16 in Helsinki.

Noam Chomsky normally fairly astute but i would say hes been misrepresented in that excert
For instance this is what he said about Trump

In a special UpFront interview, renowned US academic and public intellectual Noam Chomsky sits down with Mehdi Hasan to discuss the implications of a Donald Trump presidency, on both domestic and global issues."The most predictable aspect of Trump is unpredictability. I think it's dangerous, very dangerous," says Noam Chomsky.

"He certainly is off the spectrum. There's never been anything like him," says Chomsky, an award-winning author, who is witnessing the 16th president over the course of his lifetime.
"He has no background at all in any political activities. Never held office, been interested in office. He has no known political positions," says Chomsky. "He's basically a showman."
Chomsky, who has spent decades critiquing US presidents, calls Trump an "ignorant, thin-skinned megalomaniac" and a "greater evil" than Hillary Clinton.
"Do you vote against the greater evil if you don't happen to like the other candidate? The answer to that is yes," says Chomsky, on Americans who cast their votes for third party candidates or simply stayed home on election day.
"If you have any moral understanding, you want to keep the greater evil out," says Chomsky. "I didn't like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump's on every issue I can think of."

Views on 9/11 conspiracy theories
Chomsky has dismissed 9/11 conspiracy theories, stating that there is no credible evidence to support the claim that the United States government was responsible for the attacks.

I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel.

In addition, Chomsky said he would not be surprised if the conspiracy theory movement is being fueled by the government establishment to distract the public from more pressing matters.

People always ask, 'What can I do?' And then they say, here's something I can do. I can become a qualified civil engineer in an hour, and prove that Bush blew up the World Trade Center. I'm pretty sure that in Washington they must be clapping. A couple of years ago, I came across a Pentagon document that was about declassification procedures. Among other things, it proposed that the government should periodically declassify information about the Kennedy assassination. Let people trace whether Kennedy was killed by the mafia, so activists will go off on a wild goose chase instead of pursuing real problems or getting organized. It wouldn't shock me if thirty years from now we discover in the declassified record that the 9/11 [conspiracy] industry was also being fed by the [Bush] administration.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Syria is a horrible catastrophe. The Assad regime is a moral disgrace. They’re carrying out horrendous acts, the Russians with them.

AMY GOODMAN: Why the Russians with them?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, pretty simple reason: Syria is their one ally in the whole region. Not a close ally, but they do have—their one Mediterranean base is in Syria. It’s the one country that’s more or less cooperated with them. And they don’t want to lose their one ally. It’s very ugly, but that’s what’s happening.

. What do you see as the best solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict?

It depends what time frame we have in mind. In the short term, the only feasible and minimally decent solution is along the lines of the international consensus that the US has unilaterally blocked for the last 30 years: a two-state settlement on the international border (green line), with “minor and mutual adjustments,”