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[Ocean1]

have look again the original bills by both Labour and the greens and lastly National were never able to proceed due to a legal challenge.
You are the one still trying to sell it as Nationals idea, Do you now finally understand and concede it was not and was never Nationals original idea.

I showed you the only bill google had on it's first page of results relating to a kermadec reserve bill, and it was Nick Smith's.

Not, as I've already said, that I give a flying fuck who thought it was a good idea first, what, with not being a political party apologist an' all. I'm more interested, as I said, in how an obviously popular bill got sold for minority votes.

[husaberg]

I showed you the only bill google had on it's first page of results relating to a kermadec reserve bill, and it was Nick Smith's.

Not, as I've already said, that I give a flying fuck who thought it was a good idea first, what, with not being a political party apologist an' all. I'm more interested, as I said, in how an obviously popular bill got sold for minority votes.

thats the only current bill.
You dont now give a fuck whos idea it was now because you now know it was never Nationals original idea.

News to me, last I heard labour were against it...

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...ill-introduced

I seem to recall that everyone thought it was a damned fine idea, though. Except the iwi fishing quota owners... Who heavied Winston. Who bought labour.
Is any of this actually unclear to you? 'Cause nobody else has the slightest doubt it was a popular policy, sold on the block in exchange for Winston's blessing.

Nationals initial attempt to put the bill through was stymied by ACT not by NZ first so at least try to get one your facts straight.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-ma...sanctuary-bill

The Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill is being delayed, after talks with Māori fishing representatives broke down and the ACT Party pulled its support. Te Ohu Kaimoana, which represents iwi fishing interests, said the government had rejected compromises to the bill creating the huge marine sanctuary around the Kermadec Islands.
The Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, pictured along with other large marine protected areas in the Pacific.A map showing the planned Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, along with other large marine protected areas in the Pacific.
After days of negotiations, it had walked away from the table - and would continue legal action in the High Court and Waitangi Tribunal on behalf of iwi.
Prime Minister John Key said the government still had the numbers to pass the legislation, but would delay the bill's passage until a solution was found.

[BuzzardNZ]

have look again the original bills by both Labour and the greens and lastly National were never able to proceed due to a legal challenge.
You are the one still trying to sell it as Nationals idea, Do you now finally understand and concede it was not and was never Nationals original idea.

I saw Crasher today, he says hi !

[carbonhed]

I saw Crasher today, he says hi !

WTF is up with him? Why isn't he on the MotoGP thread? It's just not the same.

[Ocean1]

thats the only current bill.
You dont now give a fuck whos idea it was now because you now know it was never Nationals original idea.


Nationals initial attempt to put the bill through was stymied by ACT not by NZ first so at least try to get one your facts straight.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-ma...sanctuary-bill

I'm glad you're so well informed as to what I think, in spite of my posts to the contrary.

It sort of makes up for the obvious lack of thinking on your own part wrt policy implementation in favour of blind partisanship.

[husaberg]

I'm glad you're so well informed as to what I think, in spite of my posts to the contrary.

It sort of makes up for the obvious lack of thinking on your own part wrt policy implementation in favour of blind partisanship.

so are you saying it wasnt ACT who stymied national bill in the first place.
Because thats what national said.

The Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill is being delayed, after talks with Māori fishing representatives broke down and the ACT Party pulled its support.

Notice how you are pouring scorn on Winston peters but none on ACT for withdrawing support on Nationals first attempt when they were last in government.

[BuzzardNZ]

WTF is up with him? Why isn't he on the MotoGP thread? It's just not the same.

was banned with no explanation, more than likely due to some random complaint by that Husaburg arsehole.

[husaberg]

was banned with no explanation, more than likely due to some random complaint by that Husaburg arsehole.

That's horseshit,Its news to me that i can have people removed........

Crasher is doing just fine. He asked for his KB profile to be deleted after being put in the sinbin for reasons not apparent to him.

[BuzzardNZ]

That's horseshit,Its news to me that i can have people could be removed........

He is doing just fine! We discussed you for a bit and decided that you weren't worth talking about.

[husaberg]

He is doing just fine! We discussed you for a bit and decided that you weren't worth talking about.

but only two posts about me though awe...............

[Ocean1]

so are you saying it wasnt ACT who stymied national bill in the first place.
Because thats what national said.

Notice how you are pouring scorn on Winston peters but none on ACT for withdrawing support on Nationals first attempt when they were last in government.

Nope. You could tell if I was saying that, I'd be, like "it wasnt ACT who stymied national bill".

But you go right ahead and interpret what I say however makes you feel less insecure about labour's shady back room deals with Winston.

[husaberg]

Nope. You could tell if I was saying that, I'd be, like "it wasnt ACT who stymied national bill".

But you go right ahead and interpret what I say however makes you feel less insecure about labour's shady back room deals with Winston.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...ill-introduced
everyone thought it was a damned fine idea, though. Except the iwi fishing quota owners... Who heavied Winston. Who bought labour.
Is any of this actually unclear to you? 'Cause nobody else has the slightest doubt it was a popular policy, sold on the block in exchange for Winston's blessing.

The Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill is being delayed, after talks with Māori fishing representatives broke down and the ACT Party pulled its support.

ACT has pulled its support for the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill due to the Government’s failure to acknowledge the existing property rights of fishing operators.
“This Bill amounts to an uncompensated regulatory taking, likely to cause real harm to the livelihoods of those in the fishing industry,” says ACT Leader David Seymour. “Existing operators, both Maori and non-Maori, should be compensated for their losses at the very least, if not consulted before the fact.
“The Prime Minister has even admitted that the bill won’t protect fish as most commercial species are migratory – they can be caught once they leave the sanctuary. What it will do is cause enormous logistical difficulty for fishers.
“Nick Smith argues it’s okay because fishing in the area has been on a small scale. ACT disagrees. It’s not okay to pick on the little guys just because they’re the little guys.
“ACT is not opposed to marine sanctuaries – we just expect acknowledgement of existing property rights. Property rights used to be in National’s party principles. Now, the party’s website doesn’t mention them.”http://act.org.nz/act-pulls-support-for-kermadecs-bill/

I look forward to your post about how ACT is all owned by "Big Fishing"
You know just so you dont seem to be a massive hypocrite............
Then we should then have a conversation about Nationals little "partnership" with Fletchers

Aye, if they were tinged even slightly green they would have supported national's plans for a massive Kermadec marine sanctuary rather than leaping aboard labour's multi-party mashup waka.
They're far more about marxism than environmentalism, to the point where their environmental policy is a complete joke.

Pardon..... Nationals plans...National didn't support it when the greens introduced it as a private members bill a few years before that. Prior to that is was introduced by Labour. So to suggest it was national plans is a little bit shit and a lot of a fabrication.

Yep, the sanctuary was initially proposed by Green MP Gareth Hughes.

................ Nice one

[BuzzardNZ]

but only two posts about me though awe...............

There are plenty about you, all of them get down to one point, you're scum. Most of KB would agree.

[husaberg]

There are plenty about you, all of them get down to one point, you're scum. Most of KB would agree.

Three.........

[Ocean1]

I look forward to your post about how ACT is all owned by "Big Fishing"
You know just so you dont seem to be a massive hypocrite............
Then we should then have a conversation about Nationals little "partnership" with Fletchers






................ Nice one

Do try to keep up, ACT went the same way every other single-issue party went: they thought they could do compromise and not get burned. The current topic, however, is the green's choice to support labour, (in spite of the fact that national's environmental policies matched theirs more closely) and labour's willingness to sell their pre-election support of the sanctuary in order to become the govt. Wouldn't you say that was a particularly ironic slap in the face to anyone that voted for them based on the environmental portfolio of either party? Isn't that a pretty accurate and damning indictment of the current shape of MMP?

Is it too much to expect that you address the issue? Or will you continue to troll through your obviously extensive list of "historical national insults to your feelings" in order to attempt to prove that national is worse than labour? Here's an idea, how about you apply the same inane, interminable drivel about "big business's" support of national to the current "government" and see if it sticks there any better.

Or I guess you could continue to pretend I'm the national bogeyman, frantically try to put words in my mouth and then desperately defend "your team", no matter the cost to your credibility. It's a good thing you're in full straw man production, there's obviously no shortage of straws to grasp.