Friends dont let Friends buy Used Hybrids

**R650R** · 14th August 2018, 10:29

Recently an ex partner was annoyed with her shitter and decided to go car shopping on trade me for new cage

Before I got the chance to save her she'd already bid on a Toyota Kruger which among other things has a camry based engine known to have weak conrods (prob due to suv weight)
Lucky the stealership let her transfer her deposit to something else...

Anyway heres a good short vid explaining some of the hidden costs on an older secondhand hybrid...beware... wouldn't have thought about the alternator/generator part....

**HenryDorsetCase** · 14th August 2018, 10:44

Also its really hard to buy an electric car that ISN'T a Nissan Leaf.

**Naki Rat** · 14th August 2018, 11:18

Hybrids are a temporary thing and will phase out pretty quickly once battery tech advances sufficiently to provide good range per charge. In the meantime hybrids give you longer travel per 'fill-up' but with they have the worst of both fossil fuelers and EVs - an engine and drive train with 2,000 parts to wear out, and a small battery (compared to a full EV).

Sure most EVs on the market currently are Nissans but that is changing fast with virtually all existing car makers plus many new entrants releasing EV models onto the market. These are getting cheaper due to dropping battery manufacturing costs and will also soon appear as secondhand vehicles.

**Laava** · 14th August 2018, 12:24

My in laws bought a Renault Zoe EV and love it. They have a best distance of 350km between charges, all in a 50 kmh zone. Better than a nissan leaf!

**george formby** · 14th August 2018, 18:09

They're coming, like it or not. Still gonna be awhile before the tech matches NZ driving outside of the burbs, a decade?

Some interesting stats in this article I read earlier today.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45084671

**russd7** · 14th August 2018, 18:59

think evs will be stuck to being shopping trollies, hydrogen based motive power is the way of the future for those that want distance and convenience

**Naki Rat** · 14th August 2018, 19:21

Robert Llewellyn of Red Dwarf (Kryton) and Robot Wars hosts the online channel 'Fully Charged' focussing on EVs and associated technologies. Great information source

Back in June they ran a live event at Silverstone with attendance exceeding their wildest expectations. Exhibitions by manufacturers of EVs and associated kit and a heap of panel discussions. This video of the first panel chat is followed by another dozen or so that are well worth watching if you want to get up to speed on these technologies. Enjoy

**Naki Rat** · 14th August 2018, 19:22

Originally Posted by russd7

think evs will be stuck to being shopping trollies, hydrogen based motive power is the way of the future for those that want distance and convenience

Check out the Fully Charged Live videos in my post above and you will be rethinking that...

**AllanB** · 14th August 2018, 20:28

At 53 I've lost count of the number of winter 'power crisis' NZ has had over my life. Due to green huggers worried about exotic rock moss and snails I really don;t think anything of note has been added to the grid to improve supply.

And given all the hype about global warming is it smart to rely on a electrical system that is based on snow and rainfall?

And cunty Governments and Councils refuse to pass simple, effective laws making it compulsory for any new build to have solar power - as a minimum water heating supplementary solar panels.

**Cosmik de Bris** · 15th August 2018, 10:24

A guy I work with bought his old man a Nissan Leaf from Turner's. He paid $6000 for it but the batteries were down to about 60%. It took him 4 days to drive to Invercargill from Christchurch.

Cheers

**Laava** · 15th August 2018, 12:34

Originally Posted by Cosmik de Bris

A guy I work with bought his old man a Nissan Leaf from Turner's. He paid $6000 for it but the batteries were down to about 60%. It took him 4 days to drive to Invercargill from Christchurch.

Cheers

When they were new, 1st gen, they were only good for about 80km on the open road! Piss poor. You would need a generator going in the boot!

**Naki Rat** · 15th August 2018, 13:15

Originally Posted by Laava

When they were new, 1st gen, they were only good for about 80km on the open road! Piss poor. You would need a generator going in the boot!

We've had our 2012 Gen 1 Leaf since 2014. It had 9,000km on it when we got it and it had a 110km battery range then. Close to 50,000km on it now and range is around 80km, and it still beats most fossil fueled cars off the lights if we floor it

We plan to change out the battery for a new/aftermarket/refurbished one in a couple of years by which time we expect the replacement to be under $3K and more likely to be larger capacity than the 24kWh original. The old one will be repurposed to store PV generation and run the house requirements from it.

A generator in the boot is pretty much what some hybrids are...

**R650R** · 15th August 2018, 16:30

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

We've had our 2012 Gen 1 Leaf since 2014. It had 9,000km on it when we got it and it had a 110km battery range then. Close to 50,000km on it now and range is around 80km, and it still beats most fossil fueled cars off the lights if we floor it

We plan to change out the battery for a new/aftermarket/refurbished one in a couple of years by which time we expect the replacement to be under $3K and more likely to be larger capacity than the 24kWh original. The old one will be repurposed to store PV generation and run the house requirements from it.

A generator in the boot is pretty much what some hybrids are...

So your happy to pay $500 a year in repair cost then plus electric charging price? (3K divided into 6 years) An equivlant small car could prob get by on $500 petrol a year.... I have a 200km 3.5L V6, with pushbiking to work when its fine, walking to paknsave for groceries I get by on about $100 month petrol (inclusive power company aa rewards)....

Apparently those leafs have the best batteries out there, some use them for home solar setups....

**R650R** · 15th August 2018, 16:41

Originally Posted by AllanB

At 53 I've lost count of the number of winter 'power crisis' NZ has had over my life. Due to green huggers worried about exotic rock moss and snails I really don;t think anything of note has been added to the grid to improve supply.

And given all the hype about global warming is it smart to rely on a electrical system that is based on snow and rainfall?

And cunty Governments and Councils refuse to pass simple, effective laws making it compulsory for any new build to have solar power - as a minimum water heating supplementary solar panels.

I've covered this in other posts but basically the regime in charge at the time will....

MANDATE that your vehicles are plugged into the grid at ALL times when not in use. Your fully charged battery will bleed power to charge your busy neighbours car to lessen load on the grid.
This really sucks as it will be extra wear and tear on your battery.
The other reason why there will HAVE to be localised load sharing/redistribution is the national grid will not cope with 3 million people coming home at 5pm and plugging their cars in.
There will be fines and charges for not behaving and connecting to the grid. Your car will know when its near a charge point and not plugged in and will autoreport you to authorities.
It will be interesting the first time there is a major storm or infrastructure failure that takes out a nationwide distribution node at end of holiday weekend with many people needing recharge, how will everyone get to work next day....????
Also stuck in the snow on desert rd... wouldn't want to be low on charge, no heater.....

We are headed into an era of technocratic dictatorship where the lefts tool of climate taxes to save the children will force this level of control on us. That's why we have smart meters creeping in, so the govt can remotely turn off your supply and decide what devices get power. During a tie of political unrest or protest it will be so easy to not let phones/tv/computers powered on.....