MotoGP 2018

[Mental Trousers]

Thoughts?

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/mot...empted-murder/

Even if they don't charge him it serves to emphasis the fact you don't do that shit. Although I would've thought they'd charge him with some form of assault instead.

From Matt Oxley... "Valentino Rossi finally said it. After finishing a miserable seventh on Sunday in front of his adoring fans, the seven-time MotoGP champion wondered aloud: “Ducati and Honda have V4 engines; we have an inline four – maybe this is the problem…”

Maybe time to finally say it "Rossi and Vinales... who chose the latest engine... have no fucking clue what the problem is... this is the problem"

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...-silver-bullet

They appear to be having problems all over at the moment. All 4 riders are having different issues. Might be time for a complete redesign.

[Drew]

From Matt Oxley... "Valentino Rossi finally said it. After finishing a miserable seventh on Sunday in front of his adoring fans, the seven-time MotoGP champion wondered aloud: “Ducati and Honda have V4 engines; we have an inline four – maybe this is the problem…”

Maybe time to finally say it "Rossi and Vinales... who chose the latest engine... have no fucking clue what the problem is... this is the problem"

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...-silver-bullet

They chose between 'cross plane' and 'big bang'. Both configurations are 'inline'.

[merv]

They appear to be having problems all over at the moment. All 4 riders are having different issues. Might be time for a complete redesign.

Haha, what did I say three days ago https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131109581

[pritch]

Maybe time to finally say it "Rossi and Vinales... who chose the latest engine... have no fucking clue what the problem is... this is the problem"

Yamaha are on the brink of setting a new record, their longest run without a win. Right now the riders will be desperate and looking anywhere and everywhere for a solution. One win though and things will look much betterer. Trouble is that win doesn't look likely any time soon.

Oxley seems to have a point with his argument for an optional engine upgrade during the season.

[carbonhed]

Yamaha are on the brink of setting a new record, their longest run without a win. Right now the riders will be desperate and looking anywhere and everywhere for a solution. One win though and things will look much betterer. Trouble is that win doesn't look likely any time soon.

Oxley seems to have a point with his argument for an optional engine upgrade during the season.

Phillip Island? Dunno, clutching at straws here. All they have to do is beat MM, AD and JL... plus Crutchlow who is riding really well at the moment... and Rins.

Still things could be worse... they could be KTM but you'd have to be stupid to write KTM off for the win apparently... any day now... any day nooooow.

[Dadpole]

We will throw out a championship winning engine and all the knowledge about it and have a go at a V4. I think someone is having a laugh

[BMWST?]

this suggests to me that VR ISNT a good development rider.....It seems they have completely lost the plot since JL has left whilst Ducati are going places here to fore not imagined.It could be co incidental but i dont think it is.

[Grumph]

this suggests to me that VR ISNT a good development rider.....It seems they have completely lost the plot since JL has left whilst Ducati are going places here to fore not imagined.It could be co incidental but i dont think it is.

Disagree. IMO it's a result of the design life cycles. Ducati have finally found the sweet spot which means more than one person can ride it...They've never been short of HP. Yamaha have lost their way. Not the first time either. Look at the last years of the 500's. In pure theory, an inline 4 is always going to be lighter than a V4. I don't know if that is a significant factor now as in how hard to reach are the minimum weights...

[merv]

Disagree. IMO it's a result of the design life cycles. Ducati have finally found the sweet spot which means more than one person can ride it...They've never been short of HP. Yamaha have lost their way. Not the first time either. Look at the last years of the 500's. In pure theory, an inline 4 is always going to be lighter than a V4. I don't know if that is a significant factor now as in how hard to reach are the minimum weights...

Basically the weight limits have been raised over the years so the manufacturers could easily make the bikes lighter. Remember the first year of the 1000cc in 2012 when Honda and Yamaha had to add 4kg due to a late rule change. The first bike was 153kg so I can't see an issue with the weight of a V4.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport...ght-increase-/

[merv]

this suggests to me that VR ISNT a good development rider.....It seems they have completely lost the plot since JL has left whilst Ducati are going places here to fore not imagined.It could be co incidental but i dont think it is.

Yep, his fix at Ducati in seconds never happened and now this with Yamaha. At least with the fiasco at Ducati he had Jerry Burgess with him.

The crap Rossi caused by going all dog after Phillip Island in 2015 showed he had lost it, and any idea of a mind game against Marc has just totally backfired on him and I suspect he is more the issue than the bike and they are chasing of lost setup improvement.

Yamaha should employ Stoner as test rider and see what he can do with the bike.

[BMWST?]

Disagree. IMO it's a result of the design life cycles. Ducati have finally found the sweet spot which means more than one person can ride it...They've never been short of HP. Yamaha have lost their way. Not the first time either. Look at the last years of the 500's. In pure theory, an inline 4 is always going to be lighter than a V4. I don't know if that is a significant factor now as in how hard to reach are the minimum weights...

i am not sure what you are getting at here.It is not about the weight of the bike.The theory is that the flywheel(or flywheel effect) is too light on the Yammie,same as suzuki a couple of years ago and honda the year before that.The v4s can offset that a bit because they can change the flywheels(external to the selas) but on an inline 4 its in the middle of the engine.Couldnt they add mass to the clutch basket???

[pritch]

Couldnt they add mass to the clutch basket???

I've seen that idea suggested but the verdict was that adding weight there could cause reliability problems. If random dudes on the 'Net can think of it I'm sure the Yamaha design engineers have considered it. The light flywheel problem could be controlled by electronics, Yamaha now have an ex Magnetti Marelli engineer so maybe he can sort things, they're hoping. So am I.

It's a long stretch to blame Rossi for Yamaha cheaping out when it came to poaching an engineer.

[BMWST?]

I've seen that idea suggested but the verdict was that adding weight there could cause reliability problems. If random dudes on the 'Net can think of it I'm sure the Yamaha design engineers have considered it. The light flywheel problem could be controlled by electronics, Yamaha now have an ex Magnetti Marelli engineer so maybe he can sort things, they're hoping. So am I.

It's a long stretch to blame Rossi for Yamaha cheaping out when it came to poaching an engineer.

one could argue that a man with rossis experience may have said something about the power delivery /throttle response when he first rode the bike

[Dadpole]

This is when the limit on testing comes back to bite bums. Suzuki/Iannone (reportedly) chose the wrong engine last year and had to live with it. Honda had a similar issue in the past. More testing time may help reduce these type of mistakes/dead end paths but that has gone under the cost-reduction regime.

[pritch]

one could argue that a man with rossis experience may have said something about the power delivery /throttle response when he first rode the bike

We don't know that he didn't. David Emmett has written up an interview with Rossi's data technician but you only get a few paragraphs free and I haven't paid - yet.

https://motomatters.com/interview/20...si_s_data.html