The 1080 debate

[husaberg]

No it isn't, they will walk across the dead animal underneath the trap to stick their head in it, I did a Rotorua canopy tour where a percentage of profits goes into trapping and at the end of it they go through the trapping and figures of what they get, that was a question I asked, they use the resettable traps and check them every few weeks, they said standard trapping methods would have sent them broke
Didn't say we could
Any time I have asked any of them they haven't ever replied with an alternative
Bay Bush trust only use trapping but they also say 1080 is very cost effective compared to trapping
http://www.baybushaction.org.nz/Bio1080

you will notice on the adverts for the reset-able kill traps they show video none have more than two possums caught in a single location.
When trap monitoring is done the bodies are removed daily.
but even if it wasnt the case its not a large scale option as they have to be set up in the feild by people.

[Paul in NZ]

I really recommend that you have a read of this...

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/17-...-and-got-ugly/

Even if you don't care about 1080 its a lesson in disruption by the minority using social media...

[Katman]

I really recommend that you have a read of this...

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/17-...-and-got-ugly/

Even if you don't care about 1080 its a lesson in disruption by the minority using social media...

Yes, there are people who are prone to taking activism to extreme measures.

But as that article says, there are also those who pursue perfectly legal avenues via our Court system.

[Woodman]

Doc are killing deer, so are we but that's different. Oh the irony.

[Paul in NZ]

Doc are killing deer, so are we but that's different. Oh the irony.

Yup - they get super pissed about it too... The only people who are more pissed are pig hunters who want to be able to run their dogs where and when they want.

[Katman]

Doc are killing deer, so are we but that's different. Oh the irony.

Except hunters tend to do it rather more quickly and humanely than DOC.

[husaberg]

Except hunters tend to do it rather more quickly and humanely than DOC.

Really do you have any evidence that this is the case. Petna dont agree with you.

Pain and Suffering
Many animals endure prolonged, painful deaths when they are injured but not killed by hunters. A study of 80 radio-collared white-tailed deer found that of the 22 deer who had been shot with “traditional archery equipment,” 11 were wounded but not recovered by hunters.7 Twenty percent of foxes who have been wounded by hunters are shot again. Just 10 percent manage to escape, but “starvation is a likely fate” for them, according to one veterinarian.8 A South Dakota Department of Game, Fish and Parks biologist estimates that more than 3 million wounded ducks go “unretrieved” every year.9 A British study of deer hunting found that 11 percent of deer who’d been killed by hunters died only after being shot two or more times and that some wounded deer suffered for more than 15 minutes before dying
https://www.peta.org/issues/wildlife...l-unnecessary/

http://www.timberhawk.com/gut-shot-d...hould-do-next/


Or is it just like you stating there is other methods alternative methods available for control over 20,000 sq kms where this is no roads or tracks.

Also i note how many hunters are killed per year in NZ
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...jectid=3402113
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102...-near-te-aroha
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...jectid=3502989

[mada]

Except hunters tend to do it rather more quickly and humanely than DOC.

How many hunters get killed or maimed by 1080 each year... versus those misidentifying their targets?

[Katman]

How many hunters get killed or maimed by 1080 each year... versus those misidentifying their targets?

Hunters failing to adequately identify their target is a completely different topic.

[TheDemonLord]

Really do you have any evidence that this is the case. Petna dont agree with you.


http://www.timberhawk.com/gut-shot-d...hould-do-next/
Or is it just like you stating there is other methods alternative methods available for control over 20,000 sq kms where this is no roads or tracks.

Ah Yes, PETA are bound to be the most un-biased source for any hunting data....

However - a "study" of 80 Animals....
And of the 80, only 22 were hunted with a Bow and Arrow.
And of that 22, only 11 were not finished off.

Now, this is not a justification of bad hunters and poor shot placement - but what is the ratio of Rifle hunters to Bow hunters? I can't find any solid stats - but estimates are around 25:1 or up to 50:1 - so PETA are taking one of the least used methods of Hunting, in order to emphasize their point.

One interesting comment on a Forum (discussing Bow vs Rifle hunting) had this comment (paraphrased):

Even with a Wounded Animal, nothing goes to waste in nature, may not be what people like to hear, but it's the truth.

[husaberg]

Ah Yes, PETA are bound to be the most un-biased source for any hunting data....

However - a "study" of 80 Animals....
And of the 80, only 22 were hunted with a Bow and Arrow.
And of that 22, only 11 were not finished off.

Now, this is not a justification of bad hunters and poor shot placement - but what is the ratio of Rifle hunters to Bow hunters? I can't find any solid stats - but estimates are around 25:1 or up to 50:1 - so PETA are taking one of the least used methods of Hunting, in order to emphasize their point.

One interesting comment on a Forum (discussing Bow vs Rifle hunting) had this comment (paraphrased):

As oppossed to katspam ...........So of the 22 deer half were not killed humanly i hate to break it to you but dude that's 50%.
Considering the number of deaths from people mistakenly shooting humans even those wearing high vis vests its fair to say that target id and shot placement is not high on the priory once buck fever strikes.

[Katman]

Considering the number of deaths from people mistakenly shooting humans even those wearing high vis vests its fair to say that target id and shot placement is not high on the priory once buck fever strikes.

Dude, if you'd like to try getting hunting banned, knock yourself out.

It's not what this thread's about though.

[Woodman]

Except hunters tend to do it rather more quickly and humanely than DOC.

Na they don't, but I was just pointing out how much bollocks the anti 1080 movement is.

[mada]

Hunters failing to adequately identify their target is a completely different topic.

Not when people are suggesting hunters and civilians laying traps in their hunting grounds are the safe and "humane" alternative to 1080...

Instead of choppers dropping 1080, we'll need them all for evacs after falls, accidents, and shootings and search & rescues.

[Woodman]

Dude, if you'd like to try getting hunting banned, knock yourself out.

It's not what this thread's about though.

Actually this thread definitely is about hunting, the anti 1080 movement is about hunting.