The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[jasonu]

Geez John! I could only handle a few minutes of that. The Democrats focus for the election was healthcare. The Republican focus was the "invasion" of some desperate people nearly a thousand miles away.

It was almost a given that the Democrats would subpoena Trump's tax returns, although whether the returns will provide evidence of his laundering money for the Russian mafia is another matter. They will almost certainly show he pays no tax and will likely show he is nowhere near as rich as he claims.

I'm pleased to see Schiff is still planning on impeaching Kavanaugh, and although I didn't see it mentioned, I'll also be pleased when the new unconstitutionally appointed Attorney General gets the arse.

This clown show would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

Schiff is the biggest cry baby whiner finger pointer big mouth the Dems have.

[pritch]

Schiff is the biggest cry baby whiner finger pointer big mouth the Dems have.

On that we don't exactly disagree, we'll see.

[AllanB]

I fail to understand why US news gets top billing in NZ. I seriously don't give a rats arse about their politics or mass shootings and strongly feel US related stories should be bumped well down the article listing, just before the sports person announces the seventy second person getting a All Black cap in 2018 ........

[oldrider]

I fail to understand why US news gets top billing in NZ. I seriously don't give a rats arse about their politics or mass shootings and strongly feel US related stories should be bumped well down the article listing, just before the sports person announces the seventy second person getting a All Black cap in 2018 ........

It's just the way the game is played - unfortunately we are the pawns and as such have rather low value and even less say!:- https://twitter.com/DesiTice/status/...rymakow.com%2F

[Ocean1]

Really you replied stating it was in reply to stuff i clearly never said. Maybe you need to figure out why it that was and how it had nothing to do with me and everything to do with you illogical thought process.
The straw-man was you claiming i had said anything to do with remuneration at all.
I said

To which you replied



You might want to point out how the numerous studies that support that happy workers are more productive is a strawman when i said happy workers are more productive and visa versa..



But it gets better, My assumptions about worker productivity, really my own assumptions.But i guess you know more than forbes, Google and many other university reasarchers and other companies do.
Why not you are ocean.............

Dude, nobody reads your wall-of-text/quote-justifications, give it up, you entered a discussion about employee remuneration and blathered on about happy = productive. If you're so upset about your perceived interpretation of the existing discussion then start your own fucking discussion. I won't be contributing, there's no point, you can't fucking read and you repeatedly fail the comprehension thing.

[jasonu]

I fail to understand why US news gets top billing in NZ. I seriously don't give a rats arse about their politics or mass shootings and strongly feel US related stories should be bumped well down the article listing, just before the sports person announces the seventy second person getting a All Black cap in 2018 ........

NZ is one of the few countries that still likes the USA. Mind you, with the Tooth Fairy in charge that might not be the case in another 2 years time.

[husaberg]

Dude, nobody reads your wall-of-text/quote-justifications, give it up, you entered a discussion about employee remuneration and blathered on about happy = productive. If you're so upset about your perceived interpretation of the existing discussion then start your own fucking discussion. I won't be contributing, there's no point, you can't fucking read and you repeatedly fail the comprehension thing.

I dont care if anybody reads what i write you clearly dont, otherwise you would have not claimed i inferred something i clearly didn't, you egg. You are the only person talking about remuneration i never did. Grow up and learn some comprehension.
Happy employees are more productive while idiots have to resort to swearing as they dont have a decent enough vocabulary or constructive argument or it seems a half decent excuse when you cock up.

[jasonu]

On that we don't exactly disagree, we'll see.

Yep, MSNBC trots him out at least once a week to have a public blub boohoo whinge and a cry.

[Ocean1]

I dont care if anybody reads what i write you clearly dont, otherwise you would have not claimed i inferred something i clearly didn't, you egg. You are the only person talking about remuneration i never did. Grow up and learn some comprehension.
Happy employees are more productive while idiots have to resort to swearing as they dont have a decent enough vocabulary or constructive argument or it seems a half decent excuse when you cock up.

So leme see now....

Might help if they share the increased profits with the workers too - in terms of higher wages ..

Oh aye. 'Cause the employees would absolutely bail the company out if they had a bad year.

Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...

I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."

He's made millions implementing that approach ..

Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.

But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?

See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

So did you miss the fact that remuneration was the core topic being discussed or did you just ignore it?

Or were you just blinded by visions of the even bogyman mistreating his underpaid minions and decided to take him to task for that?

See, you really are the only one assuming the discussion is about the relationship between happy and productive. It's not.

[husaberg]

So leme see now....

Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.
But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?
See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.

Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...
I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."
He's made millions implementing that approach ..

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.
And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

So did you miss the fact that remuneration was the core topic being discussed or did you just ignore it?

Or were you just blinded by visions of the even bogyman mistreating his underpaid minions and decided to take him to task for that?

See, you really are the only one assuming the discussion is about the relationship between happy and productive. It's not.

Here is a hint I quoted your post solely in replying to mine , you then attempted to misrepresent what i had said. which you have continued to do since, which has showed a total lack of balls.
Don't get me wrong its not a surprise.

[Ocean1]

Here is a hint I quoted your post solely in replying to mine then attempted to misrepresent what i had said. then you have since then showed a total lack of balls.
Don't get me wrong its not a surprise.

Well shit, even with help you fuck up the comprehension thing.

Seriously, go read it until you understand. I'll be right over here, not holding my breath.

[husaberg]

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.
And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

Well shit, I clearly f-ed up.
I had no arguement so i just implied you had said stuff you clearly didnt because i are clearly under endowed
Seriously, goi have no excuse as to why i will not admit it as i am a total egg.

Edited to reflect reality

[seattle smitty]

Mashman, you remind me of the Bible-thumpers in this country with their god directing them to populate and subdue the earth, who respond to people like me with, "I fly over this country and see LOTS of unused empty space." By which I guess they mean that we could add another 10 billion. That if there's any wild space, fill it up, pave it, build houses, have babies, replace space-wasting farms with hydroponics, have more babies, work from home because all human work should be done on a keyboard and all other work by robots), have even more babies, etc. I understand that much of China is already at an early stage of this, with no privacy, no space.

Sounds like a version of Hell to me.

If I could be transported back to the 1950s (with half the present population, twice the wilderness), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Ocean1]

Edited, because that's what I always do

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[husaberg]

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.