The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[mashman]

Mashman, you remind me of the Bible-thumpers in this country with their god directing them to populate and subdue the earth, who respond to people like me with, "I fly over this country and see LOTS of unused empty space." By which I guess they mean that we could add another 10 billion. That if there's any wild space, fill it up, pave it, build houses, have babies, replace space-wasting farms with hydroponics, have more babies, work from home because all human work should be done on a keyboard and all other work by robots), have even more babies, etc. I understand that much of China is already at an early stage of this, with no privacy, no space.

Sounds like a version of Hell to me.

If I could be transported back to the 1950s (with half the present population, twice the wilderness), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

If that's what you read as me conveying, then stop reading me as a bible-thumper and try the concerned human being projection in its place. What is stated is true. We could, in theory, double the population if we addressed Earth Overshoot and the production issues that cause it and still have stunning lives. In fact the way I see it as being by far better than the standard of living today, or pretty much any other yesterday. As such, I Am not saying that we should in any way shape or form even attempt to grow the population, because that would see population growth replace production growth as the leading cause of Earth Overshoot. Thanks for the mental image of me bible-thumping though , but you can keep the projection.

I'll settle for the 70's. At least there was something akin to music around then

[husaberg]

Mashman, you remind me of the Bible-thumpers in this country with their god directing them to populate and subdue the earth, who respond to people like me with, "I fly over this country and see LOTS of unused empty space." By which I guess they mean that we could add another 10 billion. That if there's any wild space, fill it up, pave it, build houses, have babies, replace space-wasting farms with hydroponics, have more babies, work from home because all human work should be done on a keyboard and all other work by robots), have even more babies, etc. I understand that much of China is already at an early stage of this, with no privacy, no space.

Sounds like a version of Hell to me.

If I could be transported back to the 1950s (with half the present population, twice the wilderness), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Those bible basher have wider support than Mashman has in NZ.
he only got 214 votes in the election
https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and...al-profile#_20

In his home town when he stood for mayor he only got slightly more. 337
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...he-bright-side

Although he likes to make out his views are widely supported it's readily apparent they are not.

[Voltaire]

Those bible basher have wider support than Mashman has in NZ.
he only got 214 votes in the election
https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and...al-profile#_20

In his home town when he stood for mayor he only got slightly more. 337
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...he-bright-side

Although he likes to make out his views are widely supported it's readily apparent they are not.

200 is pretty good, doubt I could manage more than the Missus and the dog.... and he could be bribed, However he’d have to lump it as his performance does not contribute to the bottom line.

[husaberg]

200 is pretty good, doubt I could manage more than the Missus and the dog.... and he could be bribed, However he’d have to lump it as his performance does not contribute to the bottom line.

Dont sell yourself short,Based on experience people can get more than 1% or 5x the votes mashy received just based on mistaken identity alone.
He had a plan of setting up tinnie houses on motorway bypasses Maybe if i ask nicely he will elaborate on it further.

[Ocean1]

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.





Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

Yeah I thought that's what you'd got wrong.

Show me where I related staff happiness to productivity.

[husaberg]

Yeah I thought that's what you'd got wrong.

Show me where I related staff happiness to productivity.

You are gish galloping you either answer my questions or just slink off back to watching New Statesman reruns pretending you are Allan rather than Piers.
If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[Ocean1]

You are gish galloping you either answer my questions or just slink off back to watching New Statesman reruns pretending you are Allan rather than Piers.
If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.





okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.





Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

I don't have to, I never made any claim relating the two, if I had you'd have no trouble quoting it.

So you fabricated that shit, the only real question is whether you did so because you're duplicitous or simply stupid.

It'll be more obvious which depending on whether you admit you fucked up and apologise or double down yet again on a completely unsupported rhetoric.

[husaberg]

I don't have to, I never made any claim relating the two, if I had you'd have no trouble quoting it.

So you fabricated that shit, the only real question is whether you did so because you're duplicitous or simply stupid.

It'll be more obvious which depending on whether you admit you fucked up and apologise or double down yet again on a completely unsupported rhetoric.

Oh grow up you are the one making claims you cant back up and refusing to answer simple questions you would have to be the most condescending narcissistic lying idiot ever to grace this site.

If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[Ocean1]

Oh grow up you are the one making claims you cant back up and refusing to answer simple questions you would have to be the most condescending narcissistic lying idiot ever to grace this site.

If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.





okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.





Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

As expected. Duplicitous twat it is.

[husaberg]

As expected. Duplicitous twat it is.

No need to be so hard on yourself but If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom. In that instead of it being "a conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity" its a well documented and well known link.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131115574
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[seattle smitty]

Haw, score! Mashman, I thought the Bible-thumper reference might get a rise out of you! I'm doing this only semi-seriously since I know my ideas don't sell, and I know nothing significant will be done until disaster has arrived, at which time i'll have long-since croaked. As a long time ex-Christian atheist, materialist, and something of a nihilist, I know I won't personally care about any of it. Nor will anyone else who has met the end we all meet. But during my few decades of life, it has been a good distraction to act as if we human and other living beings are enormously important in the long run. Today I am compelled to distract myself in my old age by welding on a nice lady's horse trailer. Thanks, Mashman.

[mashman]

Haw, score! Mashman, I thought the Bible-thumper reference might get a rise out of you! I'm doing this only semi-seriously since I know my ideas don't sell, and I know nothing significant will be done until disaster has arrived, at which time i'll have long-since croaked. As a long time ex-Christian atheist, materialist, and something of a nihilist, I know I won't personally care about any of it. Nor will anyone else who has met the end we all meet. But during my few decades of life, it has been a good distraction to act as if we human and other living beings are enormously important in the long run. Today I am compelled to distract myself in my old age by welding on a nice lady's horse trailer. Thanks, Mashman.

Another optimist I see. Yeah, you got me good.

[Swoop]

Maybe all those cunts who mostly can’t prove who they are or where they came from should be shipped to NZ and can set up shop in your neighborhood.

The ToothMonster and her ilk certainly would love to do just that.

... citizenship for all offspring of non-citizens who bring them across our borders to be born.

NZ has seen a bit of that over the years. Particularly heavily-pregnant asian "tourists" arriving here on holiday...
"Oh! baby arrive. Birth certificate & citizenship please".

Population control is more nearly possible, as the Chinese used to at least attempt to do. Their solution (among others) will eventually have to be widely adopted.

Oddly, the chinese limitation of having children has resulted in a lack of people being able to look after their elders and the relaxation of that "one child" rule has happened. It's affected their military as well.

[oldrider]

Then when they want war they shall have war because the divided will demand it. https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...rymakow.com%2F (watch this space)

[husaberg]

Ever noticed how religious nuts are always predicting the end of the world.

Heavens Gate
David Koresh
Jim Jones
hinri Kyo Shoko Asahara
Charles Manson