The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[TheDemonLord]

The US sends Troops in: WarMongers! Imperialists! Bloodthirsty! Military Industrial Complex!
The US withdraws Troops: Irrational! Unhinged! Fools! Delusional!

[husaberg]

Assad would have sorted ISIS in next to no time if the west hadn't have wanted Assad gone using ISIS to create instability in the region. Tis why they armed them with weapons, training and intelligence in the first place n'est pas? Hardly on their own when it comes to the displacement of millions and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent.

Assad was getting his ass kicked same as the other dictators were as a result of Arab spring, if neither Ruskies or the US had of intervened he would be getting dragged out of a ditch and beaten to death same as Gadaffi was.

[oldrider]

Gaddafi? https://twitter.com/africlandpost/st...91806790737920 - Maybe he was hard done to?

[jasonu]

The US sends Troops in: WarMongers! Imperialists! Bloodthirsty! Military Industrial Complex!
The US withdraws Troops: Irrational! Unhinged! Fools! Delusional!

Well said that man.

[Grumph]

For those of you who saw that there's a gofundme account started to help fund the wall.....There's also an account started to "Buy ladders"....

I'm sure that those of you who may wish to contribute to either side are capable of finding the links for yourselves....

[Voltaire]

Won't less troops in Syria and Afghanistan mean less military spend, less manufacturing and less jobs?

Time to declare war on Lawnmowers?

More Americans are killed by LAWNMOWERS than Jihadi terrorists on average each year, statistics reveal

The bizarre statistic has won International Statistic of the Year
69 American people are killed by lawnmowers annually on average
In comparison, just two Americans are killed by Jihadi terrorists on average

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offb...ists-1.3331119

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...errorists.html

( Probably in the Stalinist Papers but picked and Irish one, quote from Daily Mail as more Sensationalist looking))

[Katman]

Well said that man.

I'm curious as to what you think his point actually was.

If you think he's making the suggestion that there's a degree of indecision or 'flip-flopping' in some people views about American interference in other countries affairs, you'd be wrong.

All he's done is describe two extreme opposite viewpoints on a matter of ethics.

[jasonu]

I'm curious as to what you think his point actually was.

If you think he's making the suggestion that there's a degree of indecision or 'flip-flopping' in some people views about American interference in other countries affairs, you'd be wrong.

All he's done is describe two extreme opposite viewpoints on a matter of ethics.

I think his point is no matter what America does people will find a way to say it is wrong.
Damed if you damed if you don’t sort of thing.

[Grumph]

I think his point is no matter what America does people will find a way to say it is wrong.
Damed if you damed if you don’t sort of thing.

Well, it stands to reason that if you go in to a war, you should at least stay long enough to shape the peace.

I see that Trump came to his withdrawal decision after talking to the Turkish premier. And completely contrary to how he was briefed prior to the call.
You'd have to wonder just what was said in the call about safeguarding the Kurds - if anything.

It's becoming apparent that Trump's business - based style doesn't recognise allies. It's Trump/US first and to hell with anyone else.

[Katman]

It's Trump/US first and to hell with anyone else.

Except Israel.

[pritch]

It's becoming apparent that Trump's business - based style doesn't recognise allies. It's Trump/US first and to hell with anyone else.

You are giving him too much credit. The consensus among those qualified to judge is that he has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). In his mind it's only about him winning, or at least being able to claim he is winning.

His behaviour is accentuated by his ignorance, he doesn't read and has a very limited vocabulary.

If you consider most of the events of the last three years or so in that light everything becomes so much more understandable.

There is an added complication now in that there has recently been a report that he is addicted to amphetamines (speed).

[Katman]

There is an added complication now in that there has recently been a report that he is addicted to amphetamines (speed).

Are you husaberk's twin?

[husaberg]

Turns out he also has trouble "sleeping" so he also takes Ambien which might explain his erratic behavior

If Ambien is to blame, Musk would not be the only celebrity to act strangely under the influence of the sedative, or to claim that acting strangely was the fault of the sedative.
In May Roseanne Barr memorably blamed Ambien for a series of racist tweets which led to her ABC sitcom being cancelled.
“It was 2 in the morning and I was ambien tweeting,” was Barr’s defense for a message comparing former Barack Obama aide Valerie Jarrett to an ape. She also accused George Soros of being “a nazi”.
The drug manufacturer Sanofi, which makes Ambien, issued a statement after Barr’s outburst saying “racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication”.
Ambien maker responds to Roseanne Barr: 'Racism is not a known side effect'
Ambien, commonly prescribed for insomnia, was found in Tiger Woods’ system when he was arrested for a DUI in 2017. Police found Woods’ car parked on the side of the road with the engine running, the brake lights on and a right turn signal blinking. Woods said prescription medication was to blame.
Charlie Sheen said Ambien was responsible for him allegedly trashing his New York City hotel room in 2010. The New York Post reported that “tables and chairs had been thrown around the room and a chandelier was also damaged”. In 2011 Sheen explained his behavior to the news show 20/20:

[jasonu]

There is an added complication now in that there has recently been a report that he is addicted to amphetamines (speed).

Are you husaberk's twin?

Did the herald report that?

[pritch]

Did the herald report that?

You and Katman could be brothers. Actually you read the Herald a whole lot more than I do judging by your posts on here.

I likely do read a lot more than most, I have more time, but always news sources from at least three or four countries every day. Of which the least time would be spent on NZ news.

Lately there is a lot of legal news from the States because without that it's hard to figure out what's actually happening with the Mueller investigation. There are sources which explain the technicalities of the law so that we peasantry can understand.