The firearm thread

[jasonu]

Why did the Massacre happen?

Because the Cops let someone have a licence who could not provide valid References.

No Licence = No Massacre.

The Massacre is being used by certain people to push Agendas that they can only do with the backing of a Tragedy.

Cunts.

He would have got his hands on a gun weather the cops fucked up or not.

[onearmedbandit]

Thank you for proving the point that the new Laws won't stop the next person hell bent on destruction.




Also, I feel it necessary to point out - this wasn't someone who as you say 'wigged out and let his guns do the talking' - No, he specifically came here with the intent to obtain a licence under false pretences, commit a massacre, get our left-wing government to issue knee-jerk Firearms legislation, with the hopes that this would cause similar legislation to be tried in the US, sparking a full on Civil War.

Pity the government decided to make the possession of a certain combination of words illegal. I saw his manifesto the day of the attack and yup he made that point pretty clear.

[onearmedbandit]

He would have got his hands on a gun weather the cops fucked up or not.

Quite possibly. Although in NZ there is a world of difference in walking into a store to purchase a gun compared to getting one on the black market. Not impossible but a shit ton harder.

[jasonu]

Quite possibly. Although in NZ there is a world of difference in walking into a store to purchase a gun compared to getting one on the black market. Not impossible but a shit ton harder.

Agreed but a motivated individual will get it done.

[TheDemonLord]

That sounds like a full on conspiracy theory to me.

(But I agree, that the agenda of those planning to create a One World Government includes getting guns out of the hands of the general populace).

Not at all, it's what he outright stated in his Manifesto. I would post a citation, but y'know...

Although it appears OneArmedBandit also still retains a copy in the one place they can't censor and has confirmed it to be so.

[TheDemonLord]

He would have got his hands on a gun weather the cops fucked up or not.

I'm not so sure, part of his reason for coming here was specifically to abuse our existing Firearm Law - to force a change, if he couldn't get a licence legally, I don't think he would have carried out his actions, or at least, not in the same manner.

However, I do agree with the sentiment, He'd have probably walked into a Police Station or Borrowed a Cop Car or just waited in the Loos at Parliament....

[Katman]

Not at all, it's what he outright stated in his Manifesto. I would post a citation, but y'know...

My apologies - I never got to read it.

[Laava]

Thank you for proving the point that the new Laws won't stop the next person hell bent on destruction..

That's always been a given.
The new Laws are there to remove as many of these guns as possible to mitigate the next fuckwit that wigs out. How do you not understand that?

[Katman]

That's always been a given.
The new Laws are there to remove as many of these guns as possible to mitigate the next fuckwit that wigs out. How do you not understand that?

So if it's a given that the new laws won't stop the next person 'hell bent on destruction', how do you figure that the laws have made us any safer?

It's not the people who are 'hell bent on destruction' that have handed their guns in.

[jasonu]

That's always been a given.
The new Laws are there to remove as many of these guns as possible to mitigate the next fuckwit that wigs out. How do you not understand that?

The gangs still seam to have plenty of guns.

[Laava]

The gangs still seam to have plenty of guns.

No shit Sherlock! But now there will be less available for them to steal.
Are you starting to get the picture now?

[Laava]

So if it's a given that the new laws won't stop the next person 'hell bent on destruction', how do you figure that the laws have made us any safer?

It's not the people who are 'hell bent on destruction' that have handed their guns in.

The new Laws are there to remove as many of these guns as possible to mitigate the next fuckwit that wigs out. How do you not understand that?

[Katman]

The new Laws are there to remove as many of these guns as possible to mitigate the next fuckwit that wigs out. How do you not understand that?

Like I said, it's not the next fuckwit that's likely to 'wig out' that has handed in his guns.

How do you not understand that?

[Laava]

Like I said, it's not the next fuckwit that's likely to 'wig out' that has handed in his guns.

How do you not understand that?

I absolutely understand that. That was not my point.
So what's your solution then? What do you think the government should do?
And I know that you won't have an answer for either of my questions.
In the meantime, the govt has made a step forward. It might not be popular, which is not very important, it won't stop the next fuckwit on a rampage, it has a lot of grey areas, but it is something.

[Katman]

I absolutely understand that. That was not my point.

I don't think even you know what your point is.

If it's only honest people who hand in their guns how is that going to stop the next fuckwit who 'wigs out' from using a gun that they didn't hand in?