Australia Fire storm.

**Jeeper** · 11th January 2020, 19:45

Originally Posted by FJRider

Do you really believe THAT fixed "The Hole" ... ??

In absence of a control subject, it would be impossible to establish or disestablish any causal relationships.

**ellipsis** · 11th January 2020, 19:54

...this is definitely a robust conversation...very odd...

**FJRider** · 11th January 2020, 19:57

Originally Posted by Jeeper

In absence of a control subject, it would be impossible to establish or disestablish any causal relationships.

True.

But what was found was a hole in the Ozone layer. CFC's were blamed (by experts) as being the cause. But thousands of ton's of CFC's are still being released into the atmosphere. And the hole is getting smaller.

A bit of an anomaly would you say .. ??

**Jeeper** · 11th January 2020, 20:19

Originally Posted by FJRider

A bit of an anomaly would you say .. ??

Definitely an anomaly based on imperfect understanding of the cause and effect by the scientists (rather subject matter experts) when the link was originally hypothesised. Our environment does not have one to one relationship, like increased CO2 will automatically raise temperatures around the world or CFCs directly destroy ozone.

**ellipsis** · 11th January 2020, 20:31

...which leads back to the eventualities of future events, either immediately or down the line...there is no certainty, hypotheses of portents of what will be, eventuating...it's time to reflect on how fleeting was modern human's, thoughts of absolute realm over something they knew nothing of, for such a short time...grains of sand in a desert of time...

**Berries** · 11th January 2020, 20:42

Bloody hippies.

**MaxPenguin** · 11th January 2020, 20:57

Originally Posted by FJRider

"Since 2013, annual emissions of a banned chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) have increased by around 7,000 tonnes from eastern China, according to new research published in Nature today [Wednesday 22 May 2019] by an international team of scientists from the UK, South Korea, Japan, USA, Australia and Switzerland."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0522141808.htm

Perhaps ... unlikely.

Good googling, The good news is the hole is smaller. Dont hang on to that as some sort of argument against the people trying to stop deforestation and the like. It is a good thing they are Doing and needs encouragement.

**FJRider** · 11th January 2020, 21:05

Originally Posted by MaxPenguin

Good googling, The good news is the hole is smaller. Dont hang on to that as some sort of argument against the people trying to stop deforestation and the like. It is a good thing they are Doing and needs encouragement.

I'd much rather encourage those putting out the fires. A more immediate priority.

**husaberg** · 11th January 2020, 21:12

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

While you guys are busy kicking each other in the balls I'm sewing wildlife pouches to send over to Australia for the animal rescue organisations that need them. Time to reactivate the Scary Bikers Sewing group??

Okay princess you got me, what is a wildlife pouch?

**mashman** · 11th January 2020, 22:09

Originally Posted by ellipsis

...which leads back to the eventualities of future events, either immediately or down the line...there is no certainty, hypotheses of portents of what will be, eventuating...it's time to reflect on how fleeting was modern human's, thoughts of absolute realm over something they knew nothing of, for such a short time...grains of sand in a desert of time...

"The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit." - someone. Too many people do it through business