Are Brexit and Trump the biggest ever embarrasments!

[jasonu]

Yes the American political system is the pride of the fan boys, but that is pretty much where it ends these days.

Mate there is another country that has a system where s bloke that got almost no votes in a party that got almost no votes is the countries 2IC and he chose the PM for the nation.

[Roki_nz]

Mate there is another country that has a system where s bloke that got almost no votes in a party that got almost no votes is the countries 2IC and he chose the Mht for the nation.

Yes shames me a voted for the current PM, If i'd know she was former president of the international socialist youth AKA the commie youth I would have never voted for her. I'll give her one thing she does play the PR game very very well

[sugilite:Me]

Mate there is another country that has a system where s bloke that got almost no votes in a party that got almost no votes is the countries 2IC and he chose the PM for the nation.

Yes, a system voted in on a referendum, and a system applied within the rules of law - that we know of. Quirky and flawed as it is, as with any political system.
It is the absolute corruption of the system the USA has that is on show right now. If they played by the rules, it would be the best democracy model in the World hands down. But neither side are doing that, and Trump is taking it to a whole new level - a new level that will be continued to be applied by which ever party gets in. Especially now they know the American people will put up with that level of bullshit. The irony is - this new precedent has been set by the very man who claimed he was going to drain the swamp.

[TheDemonLord]

But neither side are doing that

So how come that is Trumps problem?

[sugilite:Me]

So how come that is Trumps problem?

And we are off to the races with Demon Lord asking me the answer to a question unrelated to anything I had actually written. How many times we going to do this dance man?

[TheDemonLord]

And we are off to the races with Demon Lord asking me the answer to a question unrelated to anything I had actually written. How many times we going to do this dance man?

I should have said fault, to be fair.

Since the next statement was 'and Trump is taking it to a whole new level - a new level that will be continued to be applied by which ever party gets in.'

If Both parties are playing dirty, why is it that your Ire is directed at Trump? Surely it would be better to direct it at the people who started playing the game in the first place, as opposed to the person who saw what game was being played and then played it to win?

[oldrider]

Yes, a system voted in on a referendum, and a system applied within the rules of law - that we know of. Quirky and flawed as it is, as with any political system.
It is the absolute corruption of the system the USA has that is on show right now. If they played by the rules, it would be the best democracy model in the World hands down. But neither side are doing that, and Trump is taking it to a whole new level - a new level that will be continued to be applied by which ever party gets in. Especially now they know the American people will put up with that level of bullshit. The irony is - this new precedent has been set by the very man who claimed he was going to drain the swamp.

[You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sugilite again.]

Agree with your post - trying to draw that to the attention of others is fraught with risk of damnation by the very folk who cry out their claims of injustice - like alcoholics defending their bottle to the death!

It's a funny old world but in the end it is the only one we have got and in my case maybe not even for that much longer - hate to see it being fucked up for no good reason other than greed and power!

[sugilite:Me]

I should have said fault, to be fair.

Since the next statement was 'and Trump is taking it to a whole new level - a new level that will be continued to be applied by which ever party gets in.'

If Both parties are playing dirty, why is it that your Ire is directed at Trump? Surely it would be better to direct it at the people who started playing the game in the first place, as opposed to the person who saw what game was being played and then played it to win?

Because, as I said in my post, he has taken it to a whole new level, and by that I mean he has blown the doors of the old creeping style of degradation and supercharged it. He and others may see it is a game, and maybe therein lies the real problem. The system panders and attracts people with narcissistic disorders who lack forethought and empathy for anything outside the scope of their reality. As in, this stuff matters and should not be treated as a game.

I do not as much express ire, but more disappointment.

[TheDemonLord]

Because, as I said in my post, he has taken it to a whole new level, and by that I mean he has blown the doors of the old creeping style of degradation and supercharged it. He and others may see it is a game, and maybe therein lies the real problem. The system panders and attracts people with narcissistic disorders who lack forethought and empathy for anything outside the scope of their reality. As in, this stuff matters and should not be treated as a game.

I do not as much express ire, but more disappointment.

And that's where our viewpoint differs:

I lament those that started playing that game, as opposed to those that play to win.

And of course the obligatory disclaimer that I disagree with your characterisation of significant parts of the issue.

[jasonu]

And we are off to the races with Demon Lord asking me the answer to a question unrelated to anything I had actually written. How many times we going to do this dance man?

You made a statement and he questioned you about it.

[sugilite:Me]

You made a statement and he questioned you about it.

Because I never stated it was Trumps problem, I'm sure he is very happy with how his shit is being applied.

[sugilite:Me]

I lament those that started playing that game, as opposed to those that play to win.

Seems a bit unbalanced, why would you not lament the ones that continue to play the game, even add new levels of shiftiness as well? Why do those ones get a free pass in the Demonlord World?
It is not like Trump is ever going to say "Yay, I won the game, they lost. So now I'm going to do a big reset and do things properly from now on". He will just continue to do things in a never ending degrading way for the constitution until he is gone.
If only there was a strong charismatic leader with honest values. Guess the system squashes them before they ever get anywhere near the presidency.

[Bonez]

I think Trump has gotten it right....Play to win.

[sugilite:Me]

So winning the bad behavior competition is going to help the American people how exactly?

[Bonez]

He has had his back against the wall ever since he was elected. Now's time for revenge. Feel sorry for asll those snowflakes that will get bulldozered. Well not really.....