Return to work plans

[FJRider]

I don't understand. If there are no new cases then the virus is gone and we can go straight to Level 1 and dry hump each other in celebration for as long as the border stays shut?

They are admitting there is too much they don't know about the virus. Some can transport the virus ... on their hands through coming into contact with the same item. Those infected may not actually be affected by it ... but pass it on. Now they saying you can be infected in supermarkets ... from someone that WAS in the next aisle to you.

The new case count is down ... but they're still counting.

If the border is shut ... why are so many people STILL coming into the country .. ???

[Berries]

You have to remember how the clusters formed from one infectious person each. One person in Southland turned into 87 people infected. Open up too soon, and it spreads again and we are back to square one of Level 4.

Yeah, I get that it spreads. Like a virus in fact.

[sidecar bob]

Anyone else notice that Worksafe have been spectacularly quiet on this one?

[russd7]

Anyone else notice that Worksafe have been spectacularly quiet on this one?

yup, went there looking for some advice but found only that it is up to businesses to find that advice, so where better to get solid advice than KB.

[sidecar bob]

yup, went there looking for some advice but found only that it is up to businesses to find that advice, so where better to get solid advice than KB.

My son is an essential worker, he said they have had nothing from them.

[Gearup]

yup, went there looking for some advice but found only that it is up to businesses to find that advice, so where better to get solid advice than KB.

Mate of mine's in the building industry, just mention Worksafe and he'll get pissed off.

[sidecar bob]

Mate of mine's in the building industry, just mention Worksafe and he'll get pissed off.

They were one of half a dozen very good reasons I sold the garage.

[Gearup]

They were one of half a dozen very good reasons I sold the garage.

I've heard similar from other people who've had businesses too.

[OddDuck]

I've managed to avoid Worksafe in my trade, instead we have in-house HSE. I've seen colleagues with decades of experience literally reduced to tears by the fuckers, I've been there myself too. I'm not totally against it despite that. There is a fraction of genuine keeping frontline workers from getting maimed / poisoned / blinded / etc but said workers having to appease bureaucrats so that they're allowed to keep doing the job is by far the bulk of what goes on.

The main issue that I have with it is that they don't examine evidence and make decisions based on that, instead it's slavish obedience to rules and forms.

[Oakie]

Anyone else notice that Worksafe have been spectacularly quiet on this one?

That's because the Health Department is the lead agency on this one. (That's why most of the support has been targetted at people, not actual business entities.)

Worksafe aren't pushing info agressively but it is there on their website https://worksafe.govt.nz/managing-he...afes-approach/

[Jeeper]

Yeah, I get that it spreads. Like a virus in fact.

But not all virus spread at the same rate, that's the key difference with this one.

[Berries]

I thought I was pretty clear. When the virus is gone from New Zealand, like gone gone, I don't see why we can't go back to Level Zero as long as nobody is allowed to enter the country who may bring the virus back in. Why go back to Level 2 or 3 if the virus has been extinguished through our lockdown process?

[OddDuck]

I thought I was pretty clear. When the virus is gone from New Zealand, like gone gone, I don't see why we can't go back to Level Zero as long as nobody is allowed to enter the country who may bring the virus back in. Why go back to Level 2 or 3 if the virus has been extinguished through our lockdown process?

Possibly we will. Plans are getting constantly revised at the moment; there's a learning curve with all of this and coming out of lockdown again is still something new. I think that Level Zero would want something like 6 to 8 weeks of confirmed no Coronavirus first though.

Cross border movement is going to be an ongoing problem. There are still technical problems which need trained personnel from overseas and it's possible that temporary, small lockdown zones would have to be established in areas that they have to access.

[SaferRides]

I thought I was pretty clear. When the virus is gone from New Zealand, like gone gone, I don't see why we can't go back to Level Zero as long as nobody is allowed to enter the country who may bring the virus back in. Why go back to Level 2 or 3 if the virus has been extinguished through our lockdown process?

It could be months before it is gone at this rate, if ever. There are still new cases from the existing clusters, medical staff are catching it from patients because they don't have proper PPE and training, then there's Air NZ flight crew who are exempt from the quarantine requirements, although I expect they are much more careful now.

We were probably at least a week too late going to Level 4 for elimination to succeed.

[eldog]

I've managed to avoid Worksafe in my trade, instead we have in-house HSE. I've seen colleagues with decades of experience literally reduced to tears by the fuckers, I've been there myself too. I'm not totally against it despite that. There is a fraction of genuine keeping frontline workers from getting maimed / poisoned / blinded / etc but said workers having to appease bureaucrats so that they're allowed to keep doing the job is by far the bulk of what goes on.

The main issue that I have with it is that they don't examine evidence and make decisions based on that, instead it's slavish obedience to rules and forms.

Factual documented evidence

So they can blame someone.

Adds a whole new level of costs. Documenting.

Doesn't matter that most people refuse to document what they do, or sign responsibility.

And even when activities are discussed or been done the same way for ages. Still people do dumb stuff. They go off and do it their way. They still think is OK to stuff something worth $$$ and still have no responsibility.

Look at YouTube videos so much dumb stuff its funny.