The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**TheDemonLord** · 20th July 2020, 13:14

Originally Posted by sugilite

Reckon Biden made a mistake agreeing to do televised debates with Trump, who is just going to stand there telling bare faced lies that only his base are going to lap up like shit covered chocolate treats.

He should just let Trump get on with his one man crusade to ruin his reelection chances. He is doing the greatest ever job of that all on his own.

Lol.

Biden refuses to debate Trump:

Trump gets to say "He's Scared" or "He doesn't have the facts/truth to debate me and knows he will loose".

Trump's 'one man crusade' as you put it, will practically guarantee his re-election - all he has to do is point to Seattle, Portland etc. Places that are firmly in democrat control and have had massive Riots committed by the far-left Activists, often whilst the politicians in that state/city are either failing to intervene or in some cases outright bending the knee and supporting the rioters.

Biden agrees to debate Trump:

Trump will eviscerate him. Biden has shown moments of clarity and Spine, even if it's on things I disagree with him on - He has also shown some massive errors of judgement and some pretty bad Faux Pas "You aren't black if you aren't voting for the Democrats".

Biden has been backed into a corner - If he doesn't debate Trump, Trump wins. If he debates Trump, then his shortcomings are going to hand Trump the Win.

**pritch** · 20th July 2020, 22:10

The Yanks do good political ads. Currently most of the ads opposed to Trump are from people in his own party. Well, what used to be the Republican Party but which is now the Trump party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFHv-2LIO0

**Katman** · 21st July 2020, 08:38

US politics just can't get any more bizarre.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53467658

**TheDemonLord** · 21st July 2020, 08:55

Originally Posted by Katman

US politics just can't get any more bizarre.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53467658

I'm not sure on Kanye,

I couldn't give a toss for his music or his high profile marriage - but he does seem to be something of a genuine family man and in some of his ramblings there are some brutal nuggets of truth.

**Katman** · 21st July 2020, 09:46

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I'm not sure on Kanye,

I couldn't give a toss for his music or his high profile marriage - but he does seem to be something of a genuine family man and in some of his ramblings there are some brutal nuggets of truth.

And he's probably even more emotionally/psychologically unstable than Trump.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st July 2020, 10:24

Originally Posted by Katman

And he's probably even more emotionally/psychologically unstable than Trump.

and yet, probably an infinitely better role model for the African American community than any of the BLM protestors or organizers:

- Successful
- Married (in an apparently stable relationship - which considering his Bride is quite the achievement)
- Father to his Kids (and by all appearances seems to love being a family man)

The last two being a solution to the overwhelming number of problems that the African American community faces.

But let's look at what he actually has to say for himself:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randall.../#3708994447aa

Like all politicians, some things I agree with, some I definitely don't. The ones were I think he ruthlessly hits the nail on the head are:

“That is a form of racism and white supremacy and white control to say that all Black people need to be Democrat
....
And that’s what the Democrats are doing, emotionally, to my people. Threatening them to the point where this white man can tell a Black man if you don’t vote for me, you’re not Black.”

what we’ll do is we’re not going to tear up the Constitution, what we will do is amend.

Oh, one other thing—Black History Month. That is torture porn because when that comes up what we do is we see

One of my to-do lists is to end police brutality. The police are people, too. To end laws that don’t make sense. Like, in the George Floyd case, there was a Black guy that went to jail and it was his first day on the force. So if it’s your first day on the force and it’s your training day, and this OG-accredited cop with 18 violations already starts filing out, are you going to jump in front of that person and lose your job that same day? Especially in this climate when 40,000 people lost their jobs?

There's also lots of pro-religion and anti-Vaxx stuff that I'm not onboard with - some of his other policies - he's indicated he wants to bring manufacturing back to the west, he wants to look at ways to be more ecologically responsible (without requiring the complete destruction of the Capitalist west).

as for Unstable - if I were to put him in a Top Hat and an English Country Manor, I'd call him eccentric, but nothing more than that.

I've yet to make up my mind though - but I think suffice to say, it's going to make Politics much more interesting.

**sugilite:Me** · 21st July 2020, 10:48

Kanye West for President 2020
"What have you got to lose?"

**Laava** · 21st July 2020, 12:21

He should team up with another "broken" tv personality just for the ratings!

**pritch** · 21st July 2020, 12:42

Originally Posted by sugilite

Kanye West for President 2020
"What have you got to lose?"

I feel sorry for Mr West, and not just because I've never heard a single example of his work.

He was paid a few million out of Trump's financial help for small businesses Covid fund. Then he announced a run for president. A few days later he cancelled his run. Then he announced a campaign rally. He can't mount a full run now because some states have already closed nominations. Others are closing all the time.

At the rally he wore body armour, for which apparently no explanation was given. He then dissed black heroine Harriet Tubman who, if Clinton had won, would have had her face on a banknote by now. Trump didn't want a woman on a banknote, let alone a black one.

Kanye also burst into tears at his rally. The guy is a mess. He has been diagnosed bipolar but may be off his meds. That his family appear to be doing nothing to help is tragic. It's not as if they can't afford the help he needs.

**sugilite:Me** · 22nd July 2020, 15:59

Witness the ongoing extinction of democracy in the USA. Unmarked Federal Officers (apparently) throwing protesters who have a right to protest into unmarked cars and driving off with them. That sounds like a Russian thing, not a USA one.

I'm sure DL will be a long soon to you all how that Navy vet is an agent of antifa and a menace to society.

Looking forward to Trumps reckoning after he is voted out and inevitably gets physically removed from office.
As much fun as the thought of gen pop in Reikers would be for Trump, he should just get shipped off to a supermax with no outside contact. Attention is his oxygen, it would not take long for him to expire without it.

**TheDemonLord** · 22nd July 2020, 16:30

Originally Posted by sugilite

Witness the ongoing extinction of democracy in the USA. Unmarked Federal Officers (apparently) throwing protesters who have a right to protest into unmarked cars and driving off with them. That sounds like a Russian thing, not a USA one.

I'm sure DL will be a long soon to you all how that Navy vet is an agent of antifa and a menace to society.

Looking forward to Trumps reckoning after he is voted out and inevitably gets physically removed from office.
As much fun as the thought of gen pop in Reikers would be for Trump, he should just get shipped off to a supermax with no outside contact. Attention is his oxygen, it would not take long for him to expire without it.

I don't need to say a word about the Navy Vet - 'Unmarked Federal Officers' - That's the Claim by CNN. Let's put up a counter video shall we?

(Skip forward to 1 minute to avoid the Sales pitch) - In the still photos - you can see them wearing unit and serial number patches - so not exactly 'Unmarked' - I've got no comment on the claim of informant extraction. Seems CNN is being a little economical with the Truth, doesn't it?

Then we have to assess the claim - are they protesting (and engaging in Democracy) or rioting (and attempting a Communist revolution)? As much as CNN is running interference for this - it's clearly a riot. Do I need to pull the video clip where there is a building on fire and the reporter is saying 'it's mostly peaceful'.

Then we have the CHAZ/CHOP - whereby these revolutionary communists (let's call them by what they are) took over several city blocks - the result? More Black people killed by the 'cops' in 3 weeks than the entire city police managed in over a year, in fact for the 3 short weeks of it's life (completing all the stages of a Communist revolution) it was the most dangerous place on earth. So much for Black Lives Matter, eh?

Then we have to ask: Where are these Riots taking place? Would it be in Democratic areas with Democrat politicians? Could there be some connection between those two, that maybe the far-left Activist wing is being condoned or even aided by the Democratic politicians who share an ideological viewpoint?

Finally though - we have the nail in the coffin: Those protestors are never going to vote Trump. So what does Trump do? Does he send in the Army or National Guard, fix Bayonets and charge? All that would do is give the Radical Left a pool of blood to claim additional victimhood points from.

But what if he does nothing? Whilst the activist and revolutionary Commies get to have their fun and destroy everything, what of the centrist left-wing voter? Like Ken and Karen Chadbro? Do they vote Democrat and support the politician who sides and supports the violent communist riots who are attempting to burn down their neighborhood?

They might...

But then all Trump has to say is: "This didn't happen in Republican held states, this is what happens when you vote for the Democrats, you get riots, looting, murder - and worst of all, when I send in Federal assistance because I'm forced to, the Democrats tell us to get out, whilst the city is still burning, Your City, burning and the Democrats are telling us to go away"

You are being Played - and in 104 days, I've placed my bet that it'll be Trump by a comfortable margin.

**jasonu** · 23rd July 2020, 02:17

Originally Posted by sugilite

Witness the ongoing extinction of democracy in the USA. Unmarked Federal Officers (apparently) throwing protesters who have a right to protest into unmarked cars and driving off with them. That sounds like a Russian thing, not a USA one.

I'm sure DL will be a long soon to you all how that Navy vet is an agent of antifa and a menace to society.

Looking forward to Trumps reckoning after he is voted out and inevitably gets physically removed from office.
As much fun as the thought of gen pop in Reikers would be for Trump, he should just get shipped off to a supermax with no outside contact. Attention is his oxygen, it would not take long for him to expire without it.

It was declared a riot so only rioters were taken and good job too.
Governor Brown and Mayor Wheeler (both democrats) had done buggar all about the whole situation so a lot of people are happy the feds stepped in but you won't read about that on CNN...

**pritch** · 23rd July 2020, 10:26

The current (unconfirmed) head of the Department of Homeland Security which is supplying Trump's Gestapo has made reference to "proactive arrests". Translated that reads pre-crime arrests. Anyone seen Minority Report?

**sugilite:Me** · 23rd July 2020, 10:42

Originally Posted by pritch

The current (unconfirmed) head of the Department of Homeland Security which is supplying Trump's Gestapo has made reference to "proactive arrests". Translated that reads pre-crime arrests. Anyone seen Minority Report?

There are reports that Hong Kong is the top place Americans are googling as a location to emigrate to escape the repression.