Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

And I have pointed out that an apology at the time would of been appropriate.

I agree on that point that it would be appropriate, but using it as a black mark for something that is nearly 20 years old is were I draw a line.

Haha, nice jab! Yes, I've tucked the trophy for that win away in the cabinet, right along side the arsestinger and bonez scalps
I'll acknowledge up front you have your own cabinet with a handful of presented by sugi trophies of your own

Oh, I know, don't worry.

Afterall, why else would you take me off ignore after putting me on it?

I'm fairly certain it's not due to my irresistable charm and magnetic personality...

You must be posting this from your tesla whilst in ludicrous mode. I have no doubt both would have despised Trump with every fiber of their being. "The enemy of my enemy needs to be buried along side the enemy".

If you look at the Policies that both Thatcher and Churchill stood on, they are very tightly aligned with the Policies from Trump that I approve of.

Further to that - if we look at who is closest to Trump in terms of their career history, you could make a good argument that Reagan has similarities (didn't start life as a politician, spent time in Show-Biz etc.) and Thatcher's relationship with Reagan is well documented.

Of course, since 2/3 of them are dead, this is purely hypothetical, but I stand by the assertion that based on Policy and based on the rejection of Marxist derived ideas - they'd have gotten on like a house on fire.

I think the trump dick smokers have vastly superior numbers to the rhinos. Chiefly because of the stunning depth of talent the repubs have of arseholes within their ranks.

I think there's something in there that is worth further discussion - In the UK, NZ and the US the mainstream Right-Wing party have a bit of a schism between the RINO types (Judith Collins for example in NZ) and the more Trump-esque Right Wing Libertarian types (Small Government, minimal regulation etc.)

In NZ - if you look at the rise of ACT currently - who have stood on that Right-Wing Libertarian platform
In the UK - you have the likes of Priti the Barbarian, JRM and Kemi Badenoch who espouse the principles that good Conservative Governance is allowing the individual the maximum amount of Freedom to live their own lives as they see fit (although if they could hurry up and repeal some of Tony Blair's disastrous reforms, that would be great... they have a Stonking Majority...)
And so in the US - you have a large Voterbase that encompasses both the Blue Collar/Working class types and other stratas of Society that want that libertarian sort of Governance.

The point here is - even if it's not Trump himself, I think there are going to be some interesting Echos from his brand of Conservatism.

I gues it helps if you have trillions of tax payers money to squander on giving the rich tax breaks huh lol
And I'm going with Husas stats over your one trump dick smoking bbc reporters puff piece

I could pull a myriad of different metrics, all from left-leaning sites that show objectively Trump had an excellent Economy.

But here's the funny thing, and it's something often not well understood, that sometimes giving a tax break to the rich generates significantly more tax revenue. There can be multiple reasons for it:

- Tax breaks are known to increase speculative investment, investment which tends to increase productivity, grow the economy and then the increased money velocity results in more taxable transactions
- Tax breaks can encourage the '1%' to move their money from overseas investments/banks/holdings/funds back onshore as they now loose less money keeping it locally, this in turn is re-invested, stimulating the economy
- Tax breaks typically signal an increase in business confidence

etc. etc.

There's a common Left-Wing narrative that goes something like 'the right only give tax breaks to make their friends richer' - which is hilarious especially because

1: Although the Rich do get richer, so do the Poor - their standard of Living goes up
2: When the Economy is stimulated, it means that those most disadvantaged in Society get the most benefit: Minority unemployment was lowest under Trump, Wages rise for the lowest working (assuming you don't have large net migration to increase the supply of labour and therefore keep wages low....)
3: Left-Wing Marxist/Communists actually do just that, case in point - one of the BLM founders, a self-described Marxist, now retiring from Activism, after she purchased her $2 million dollar home
4: Really a continuation of point 3 - but the fundamentals of every Left-Wing economic prediction simply never happens, the entire worldview and philosophy that drives it is false and has been proven false multiple times (often with disastrous results) - just look at the Child Poverty stats under Taxinda...

Yes, why would Trump want to pull the pigs snouts out of that trough - scam recognizes scam!

This is an interesting one, I don't think it's a Trump issue however - Obamacare had some major issues

trump at the gallows with cuomo - excellent!

Oh, we wouldn't be stopping there - we'd be hanging everyone that has ever uttered something Treasonous or in violation of the Constituion. Granted that would wipe out the entire Democratic party and a good chunk of the Republicans - but if you asked me to sign Trump's death warrant to purge the poison, I'd consider it a noble Martyrdom.

You and all the other magas can have an after death party celebrating your wins over the dastardly dems!

That's if we die.

And if we live, we can have a Freedom party celebrating the enshrinement and protection of our rights from the Tyranny of State.

I know which one I'd choose.

well, I do not recall Trumps site saying "make a free trial donation" so your premise does not look like it can be applied to Trumps case of make a donation and we will take many more "donations" from you as often as we like. Even if you find a way to actually link free trials to recurring billing - do any of the companies you mention charge multiple times a month and at what ever amounts they feel like? No if course not. Trump is out front at being a thieving cunt by a very large margin - at last something he really is winning at!

Focus not on the free trial part but on the 'Default setting up of an Automatic Payment' part - Again, I don't like it as a business practice, but it is very common.

Multiple billing charges - Never ascribe to malice that which can be ascribed to Stupidity. As you know, I work in IT - I've managed systems that have (from time-to-time) billed customers multiple times. Mostly it's a combination of factors (one-time manual intervention, a previously unknown bug, customer error etc.) that cause it - I'd need more information on the details before I'm willing to issue any condemnation.

but it's all good because justice was eventually done right?

Certainly there's a great ring of Poetic Justice to it.

And to quote a great President - "Cummon man!" We both know that if Trump and his team cannot even sustain a blog, and were naive enough to think it would be well received - they have not got a snowballs chance in hell of putting out a rival to twitter and facebook
Even if they do, they will have a massive problem with take-up of non trump fans. Twitter and Facebook had bipartisan support already. Trumps pending still birth will only attract maga fans - so Trumps msg would only get through to the converted. But that is moot as no such platform will be forthcoming.

I don't think there will be as much an issue from the up-take from non-trump fans as you think.

To quote Anton Levay (Church of Satan founder): "Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!"

Consider further that in Media, it's well known that Fear sells better than Hope - Whether it's Climate Change! Covid! Trump!

If Trump creates a social Media platform and sets it up in a way that allows User generated content and interaction AND is founded on the principles of Free Speech, then I think you will very quickly see an uptake from both sides.

The Disenfranchised Right will want to use it because they are tired of being banned for saying things that are subsequently shown to be True or at least plausible (Cough Wuhan Lab Cough)

The Journalists and other Left-leaning activists will want to use it in order to garner justification for their existence "LOOK AT THE RISE OF THE FAR RIGHT! THEY WANT TO PROTECT FREE SPEECH! WHAT NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ZIS"

(see also the proliferation of Left-Wing activists committing Hate Crimes against themselves to 'prove' their narrative)

I feel you do deserve some sort of trophy for being the last trump apologist standing in kb - so well done for that
R650 does not get a trophy as he is more a cheeky troll and not a died in the wool trump apologist like your good self

I'm going to sign this off with an interesting Observation - on some recent travels around the Country, I've seen multiple Cars/Houses/things that have Flown an American flag. At an estimate, I'd say at least 50-60% of those ALSO flew a Trump Flag or some other indication of a support of Trump.

Would you like to guess how many of those flew something to show support for Biden?

0.

Of course, this is purely anecdotal - but it raises the observation - the people who are demonstrably proudest of being American are also the ones who support Trump, what does that say about Biden and the Democrats?

[TheDemonLord]

"Immigrants aren't people, they are Animals"

Except this isn't the Quote is it?

This is a perfect example of the lies and misinformation about Trump. The actual quote, in full, was referring to MS13 Gang Members (who have a long and well-documented history of extreme violence and cruelty).

So not only is the Meme a Lie, the comparison is also a Lie. I mean Trump married a legal Migrant, so the charge that he hates Immigrants is demonstrably false.

And one has to ask - why the need to lie?

If Trump was as bad as claimed, there would be no need to selectively edit quotes, omit certain statements etc. You could just play the whole thing, in context and in it's entirety and be done with it.

Of course, if you were propaganda merchants and wanting to spin/maintain a narrative....

[R650R]

Just to be clear, are you talking about Trump or Biden? I know you're a Trump adorer, but still...

Both lol and it appears the lefts official beloved fact checkers have debunked the pants saga they are not on backwards lol

[sugilite:Me]

Oh, I know, don't worry.

Afterall, why else would you take me off ignore after putting me on it?

I'm fairly certain it's not due to my irresistable charm and magnetic personality...

Don't sell yourself short sport

If you look at the Policies that both Thatcher and Churchill stood on, they are very tightly aligned with the Policies from Trump that I approve of.

Further to that - if we look at who is closest to Trump in terms of their career history, you could make a good argument that Reagan has similarities (didn't start life as a politician, spent time in Show-Biz etc.) and Thatcher's relationship with Reagan is well documented.

Of course, since 2/3 of them are dead, this is purely hypothetical, but I stand by the assertion that based on Policy and based on the rejection of Marxist derived ideas - they'd have gotten on like a house on fire.

Watching a few vids on youtube of Reagan showed a articulate witty man. No surprises Thatcher loved him. Every time Trump opens his mouth an uncouth turd pops out. Neither Thatcher or Churchill were known to suffer fools. Trump is the poster child for being an offish fool. Lets put this one to bed, we are not going to agree ever on this point.

I think there's something in there that is worth further discussion - In the UK, NZ and the US the mainstream Right-Wing party have a bit of a schism between the RINO types (Judith Collins for example in NZ) and the more Trump-esque Right Wing Libertarian types (Small Government, minimal regulation etc.)


The point here is - even if it's not Trump himself, I think there are going to be some interesting Echos from his brand of Conservatism.

Trump is for Trump. I do not even begin to see him as a conservitive. Would be interesting to see a blind poll within the repubs asking that exact question.

I could pull a myriad of different metrics, all from left-leaning sites that show objectively Trump had an excellent Economy.

But here's the funny thing, and it's something often not well understood, that sometimes giving a tax break to the rich generates significantly more tax revenue. There can be multiple reasons for it:

- Tax breaks are known to increase speculative investment, investment which tends to increase productivity, grow the economy and then the increased money velocity results in more taxable transactions
- Tax breaks can encourage the '1%' to move their money from overseas investments/banks/holdings/funds back onshore as they now loose less money keeping it locally, this in turn is re-invested, stimulating the economy
- Tax breaks typically signal an increase in business confidence

etc. etc.

Just going around in circles here. I already agreed he "had" a good economy until his lack of presidential skills let him down when the virus came along and he tried to save the stock market. Fuck the people though.

This is an interesting one, I don't think it's a Trump issue however - Obamacare had some major issues

And Trumpcare?

Oh, we wouldn't be stopping there - we'd be hanging everyone that has ever uttered something Treasonous or in violation of the Constituion. Granted that would wipe out the entire Democratic party and a good chunk of the Republicans - but if you asked me to sign Trump's death warrant to purge the poison, I'd consider it a noble Martyrdom.

It is so adorbs you think the repubs are somehow more princibled than the dems. Maybe once, then along came trump and on his coattails came the likes of greene

That's if we die.

And if we live, we can have a Freedom party celebrating the enshrinement and protection of our rights from the Tyranny of State.

I know which one I'd choose.

Like those poor trunmpers that had to stay home because if they wore a mask it somehow stopped them enjoying "freedom"

Focus not on the free trial part but on the 'Default setting up of an Automatic Payment' part - Again, I don't like it as a business practice, but it is very common.

Multiple billing charges - Never ascribe to malice that which can be ascribed to Stupidity. As you know, I work in IT - I've managed systems that have (from time-to-time) billed customers multiple times. Mostly it's a combination of factors (one-time manual intervention, a previously unknown bug, customer error etc.) that cause it - I'd need more information on the details before I'm willing to issue any condemnation.

As mentioned I have subs coming out my ears, none displayed the predatory practices of Trump. I would ask just the nature of these subs you signup for that in your words "Again, I don't like it as a business practice, but it is very common."! Hmmmmmm

I don't think there will be as much an issue from the up-take from non-trump fans as you think.

Meanwhile back to reality - we both know there is not going to be a forthcoming social media platform from Trump. Way to hard. He could not even get a blog right.

I'm going to sign this off with an interesting Observation - on some recent travels around the Country, I've seen multiple Cars/Houses/things that have Flown an American flag. At an estimate, I'd say at least 50-60% of those ALSO flew a Trump Flag or some other indication of a support of Trump.

Would you like to guess how many of those flew something to show support for Biden?

0.

Of course, this is purely anecdotal - but it raises the observation - the people who are demonstrably proudest of being American are also the ones who support Trump, what does that say about Biden and the Democrats?

Interesting, I really notice US flags in New Zealand as well, and my job gets me all over NZ, I have only seen one US flag here accompanied by a trump one. you just drive around the same block multi times or what?
While living in the States for near 2 years, I lived in what should of been a Trump stronghold. At least 30% plus of any given street had US Flags, yet in all that time - the only Trump fan reference I ever saw was on the back of a septic tank truck
I do feel this "Dems hate America" rhetoric is a load of bullshit.

[sugilite:Me]

I mean Trump married a legal Migrant, so the charge that he hates Immigrants is demonstrably false.

You mean the immigrant that was a model that somehow got granted a visa designed to only be issued for the likes of scientists with skills the US badly needed? Leading with the chin right there bro

And one has to ask - why the need to lie?

Yes, why did Trump feel the need to lie about his father being born in Germany?

If Trump was as bad as claimed, there would be no need to selectively edit quotes, omit certain statements etc. You could just play the whole thing, in context and in it's entirety and be done with it.

Like either US Party and associated propaganda corps is known for that

Both lol and it appears the lefts official beloved fact checkers have debunked the pants saga they are not on backwards lol

They just looked weird because he needs ever larger and larger nappies to contain the ever growing piles of shit he produces

[TheDemonLord]

Watching a few vids on youtube of Reagan showed a articulate witty man. No surprises Thatcher loved him. Every time Trump opens his mouth an uncouth turd pops out. Neither Thatcher or Churchill were known to suffer fools. Trump is the poster child for being an offish fool. Lets put this one to bed, we are not going to agree ever on this point.

From some of the speeches of Trump I've watched, he's also witty - maybe not to your taste - but the example I go to was his remark to Hilary 'No, you'd be in Jail'.

When he's speaking from a Script, he's not that great, but when he's speaking off-the-cuff, he's always cracking a joke.

As an aside, given the legendary status of some of Sir Winston's jab's "If you were my Wife, I'd drink it" and "Ah, but in the morning I shall be Sober and you will still be Ugly", if he had a Twitter account, what Gems might we have seen from him....

Trump is for Trump. I do not even begin to see him as a conservitive. Would be interesting to see a blind poll within the repubs asking that exact question.

He was once a Democrat - his Policy positions wouldn't look out of place on the Democrat agendas in the early 90s (should be a hint to just how far the Democrats have moved left - which I'll come back to later).

In terms of his policy and his political alignment - I suspect he falls on a traditional centre left, libertarian scope (although by todays standards that would be mid-right libertarian)

Just going around in circles here. I already agreed he "had" a good economy until his lack of presidential skills let him down when the virus came along and he tried to save the stock market. Fuck the people though.

It's the where and how you agreed that I take umbrage with: Namely the 'inherited from Obama' narrative, which demonstrably is not true. Further to that there's an implication that the strong Economy was a fluke or accident as opposed to a direct result of Trump's 'Stable Genius'

And Trumpcare?

We'll never know...

It is so adorbs you think the repubs are somehow more princibled than the dems. Maybe once, then along came trump and on his coattails came the likes of greene

Some Republicans are more principled. Although not the US republicans - I'd raise David Seymour's opposition to the Government Firearm legislation as a Principled right-wing position. JRM's refusal to claim expenses that he is entitled to claim 'Because I'm fortunate enough that I can afford it'.

And yes, there are principled Democrats....

the problem is their principles are Marxist in nature...

Like those poor trunmpers that had to stay home because if they wore a mask it somehow stopped them enjoying "freedom"

2 things here - the first is a critique on Dr Fauci's position on wearing a mask (which is more just a point scoring jab, but nevermind)

The second however is the real point: Regardless of your view on it or not, that IS a curtailing of Freedom. It is an affront to the long standing British Common Law idea (which American law is derived from) that Governance is done with the consent of the people. When NZ was found to be enforcing rules which they had no authority to enforce - it is exactly this type of Tyranny that I am opposed to - even if it's just on the basis of it.

It may just be a Mask today, it may be something else tomorrow - each time the Government overeaches it's authority, does it ever retract? Or does it follow the ratchet theory?

Or perhaps another way - some might say that telling someone that they can only go outside if they wear a mask is similar to telling someone they can only go outside if they wear a Yellow, 6 pointed Star.

Afterall, they are both just bits of Fabric, right?

As mentioned I have subs coming out my ears, none displayed the predatory practices of Trump. I would ask just the nature of these subs you signup for that in your words "Again, I don't like it as a business practice, but it is very common."! Hmmmmmm

Well, I gave you a list of them - If something offers me a free trial but asks for my Credit card - generally I don't sign up.

Meanwhile back to reality - we both know there is not going to be a forthcoming social media platform from Trump. Way to hard. He could not even get a blog right.

Well, hold your horses a second there - there are the likes of Gab, Parler, Minds etc. which have experienced a large amount of Growth, which is directly linked to the editorialisation of content by the current Social Media companies. Most of those alternate social media platforms don't have the backing of someone like Trump.

It doesn't mean it will be a success, but I think to dismiss it as implausible is also unfair.

Interesting, I really notice US flags in New Zealand as well, and my job gets me all over NZ, I have only seen one US flag here accompanied by a trump one. you just drive around the same block multi times or what?
While living in the States for near 2 years, I lived in what should of been a Trump stronghold. At least 30% plus of any given street had US Flags, yet in all that time - the only Trump fan reference I ever saw was on the back of a septic tank truck

Actually it's been between Auckland, Palmerston North, Taranaki and a few other places - but even going on your observation - How many Biden stickers/Flags?

I do feel this "Dems hate America" rhetoric is a load of bullshit.

Does the average Democrat voter hate America? No.
Do ALL of the Democrats hate America? Also, No (Bonus Thulsi Gabbard Plug).
Do a specific section of the Democrats (who just so happen to be 'in power' within the Party) hate America?

To answer this properly - I want to come back to those Marxist Principles I mentioned earlier. They are antithetical to the US way of life, the American dream and the founding ideas that America is built on (a tangent of British liberalism) - ideas such as "Everyone is equal before the law", Rule by Consent, Natural/God-given rights etc.

Believing in Marxist ideas is to disagree with everything that the US stands for. Or to borrow a phrase from BLM (with their strong links to the Democrat party):

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure"
and
"Dismantling the imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy" (the key word in that one is Capitalist for reference)

To that end - if you believe in Marxist ideas, you have to hate America.

When you look at the likes of certain characters within the Democrat party, their activist base etc. It's clear that Yes, the current faction in charge of the Democrats DO hate America.

Or to put it another way - when it comes to the question of Memorial Day - to remember those who gave their lives to defend the ideals of their country - In the words of Kamala Harris "Enjoy the Long weekend!"

[TheDemonLord]

You mean the immigrant that was a model that somehow got granted a visa designed to only be issued for the likes of scientists with skills the US badly needed? Leading with the chin right there bro

But she did do it the legal route, correct? With all the necessary documentation, correct? Regardless of what I think of the Value of a Model to society (because I agree entirely with that point there) - she did everything right.

Yes, why did Trump feel the need to lie about his father being born in Germany?

Probably the same reason that many people that were born around the 1940s with germanic heritage sought to distance themselves from Germany. I seem to remember something happening around that time. Something to do with Silly Moustaches and Jews...

Like either US Party and associated propaganda corps is known for that

We've covered off the differences between certain lies - but this one I feel is particularly insidious, not only for it's comparison but because the source material is so easily checked.

And yet it's these sort of lies, half-truths that are regularly circulated, about Trump, not just by fringe organisations - but by major News Outlets and by even the DNC themselves.

One has to ask - if Trump is as terrible as they claim, why the need to lie about him constantly?

They just looked weird because he needs ever larger and larger nappies to contain the ever growing piles of shit he produces

See, I'm still bemused by this obsession with if he does or doesn't wear an adult Nappy. I couldn't care less tbh - if he has incontinence issues at his age, then he has issues.

He could be wearing a full steel chastity harness for all I care. Isn't it curious that the 'side' that is so quick to tell others not to judge people based on their Looks (don't fat shame me!) or their sexual preferences (Don't Slut shame me!) or any N number of cause celebre issues are also very quick to ridicule someone because they might have a Medical condition.

[pritch]

And the Republicans like to say Biden is suffering from Alzheimers? These are exerpts from Trump's recent speech. That's the one where his pants are held up by elastic so he can get them up over the nappy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwlHpQRcqyI

[husaberg]

“We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we’re stopping a lot of them — but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.”

[TheDemonLord]

Part of the Quote

How about you stop lying and include the statement immediately before the Quote you've posted?

There could be an MS-13 member I know about -- if they don't have a certain threshold, I cannot tell [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] about it,

To which Trump then responds - and from the context, it's clear the 'Animals' remark refers to the violent Gang, MS13/

[sugilite:Me]

From some of the speeches of Trump I've watched, he's also witty - maybe not to your taste - but the example I go to was his remark to Hilary 'No, you'd be in Jail'.


As an aside, given the legendary status of some of Sir Winston's jab's "If you were my Wife, I'd drink it" and "Ah, but in the morning I shall be Sober and you will still be Ugly", if he had a Twitter account, what Gems might we have seen from him....

"you would be in jail" vs "if you were my wife I'd drink it" are not even in the same universe of wit level. You love to give Trump a good back rub at any given opportunity huh

He was once a Democrat - his Policy positions wouldn't look out of place on the Democrat agendas in the early 90s (should be a hint to just how far the Democrats have moved left - which I'll come back to later).

As mentioned, Trump is for trump. Policy was dictated on how he feels that day and implemented by tweet. You cling onto that manifest of policies you outlined a while back like Trump actually took it seriously I would be surprised if he even read it.

It's the where and how you agreed that I take umbrage with: Namely the 'inherited from Obama' narrative, which demonstrably is not true. Further to that there's an implication that the strong Economy was a fluke or accident as opposed to a direct result of Trump's 'Stable Genius'



We'll never know...

Does not stop you from fighting tooth and nail to make out it was all Trump though eh

Some Republicans are more principled. Although not the US republicans - I'd raise David Seymour's opposition to the Government Firearm legislation as a Principled right-wing position. JRM's refusal to claim expenses that he is entitled to claim 'Because I'm fortunate enough that I can afford it'.

And yes, there are principled Democrats....

the problem is their principles are Marxist in nature...

The coffin was lowered on Repulican decency from 2016.
Loved Seymour in dancing with the stars! As a pollie, he is principled to his own beliefs, which by pollie standards is an achievement.

2 things here - the first is a critique on Dr Fauci's position on wearing a mask (which is more just a point scoring jab, but nevermind)

The second however is the real point: Regardless of your view on it or not, that IS a curtailing of Freedom. It is an affront to the long standing British Common Law idea (which American law is derived from) that Governance is done with the consent of the people. When NZ was found to be enforcing rules which they had no authority to enforce - it is exactly this type of Tyranny that I am opposed to - even if it's just on the basis of it.

It may just be a Mask today, it may be something else tomorrow - each time the Government overeaches it's authority, does it ever retract? Or does it follow the ratchet theory?

Or perhaps another way - some might say that telling someone that they can only go outside if they wear a mask is similar to telling someone they can only go outside if they wear a Yellow, 6 pointed Star.

Afterall, they are both just bits of Fabric, right?

One was a "mark" on a race, the other was protection in a pandemic. Your premise of comparison is complete fuckwitty.

Well, I gave you a list of them - If something offers me a free trial but asks for my Credit card - generally I don't sign up.

This premise is to far outside of the situation being discussed. Trump aimed to rip off his supporters and did so. End of.

Well, hold your horses a second there - there are the likes of Gab, Parler, Minds etc. which have experienced a large amount of Growth, which is directly linked to the editorialisation of content by the current Social Media companies. Most of those alternate social media platforms don't have the backing of someone like Trump.

It doesn't mean it will be a success, but I think to dismiss it as implausible is also unfair.

Totally fair, you know what a mountain to climb producing a valid alternative to Twitter and fb would be. Trump does not have the tenacity or brains trust on hand to carry it out. Still born at best, HIGHLY unlikely to ever be released the likely outcome. Keep playing with the unicorns and fairies if you please.

Actually it's been between Auckland, Palmerston North, Taranaki and a few other places - but even going on your observation - How many Biden stickers/Flags?

None, so 1 vs 0. Not much to get excited about there.

Does the average Democrat voter hate America? No.
Do ALL of the Democrats hate America? Also, No (Bonus Thulsi Gabbard Plug).
Do a specific section of the Democrats (who just so happen to be 'in power' within the Party) hate America?

Yet when I asked you for quotes from any of the "squad" stating they hated America - crickets!

To answer this properly - I want to come back to those Marxist Principles I mentioned earlier. They are antithetical to the US way of life, the American dream and the founding ideas that America is built on (a tangent of British liberalism) - ideas such as "Everyone is equal before the law", Rule by Consent, Natural/God-given rights etc.

Believing in Marxist ideas is to disagree with everything that the US stands for. Or to borrow a phrase from BLM (with their strong links to the Democrat party):

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure"
and
"Dismantling the imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy" (the key word in that one is Capitalist for reference)

To that end - if you believe in Marxist ideas, you have to hate America.

When you look at the likes of certain characters within the Democrat party, their activist base etc. It's clear that Yes, the current faction in charge of the Democrats DO hate America.

marxist, marxist, commie, commie, commie. Give me a break. Sure a dem or two may admire some marxist ideals. But turning the US into a marxist regime. Gimee a break., Go spent time in the US. Your so paranoid it is laughable.

Or to put it another way - when it comes to the question of Memorial Day - to remember those who gave their lives to defend the ideals of their country - In the words of Kamala Harris "Enjoy the Long weekend!"

Yet when Trump says 'I like people who weren't captured' you strangely had nothing to say? Hypocrite.

But she did do it the legal route, correct? With all the necessary documentation, correct? Regardless of what I think of the Value of a Model to society (because I agree entirely with that point there) - she did everything right.

Unlikely it was strictly legal, entirely likely some officials were bribed. TDL "There are anomalies in the election and despite 50+ cases thrown out of court - the election was stolen!". Model who happens to be trumps then girlfriend now wife "somehow" gets a visa designed for ultra skilled experts in their field". All legit correct? Hypocrite.

Probably the same reason that many people that were born around the 1940s with germanic heritage sought to distance themselves from Germany. I seem to remember something happening around that time. Something to do with Silly Moustaches and Jews...

So you are saying Trump was lying because he wanted to get closer to Germany? Wanted to distance himself from a mustache?

We've covered off the differences between certain lies - but this one I feel is particularly insidious, not only for it's comparison but because the source material is so easily checked.

And yet it's these sort of lies, half-truths that are regularly circulated, about Trump, not just by fringe organisations - but by major News Outlets and by even the DNC themselves.

One has to ask - if Trump is as terrible as they claim, why the need to lie about him constantly?

Yet strangely you ignore all the other sides exact same behavior and lies. And you are right, I do not understand why the left make up lies about trump when there is such an unbelievably rich seam of lies that he has told!

See, I'm still bemused by this obsession with if he does or doesn't wear an adult Nappy. I couldn't care less tbh - if he has incontinence issues at his age, then he has issues.

He could be wearing a full steel chastity harness for all I care. Isn't it curious that the 'side' that is so quick to tell others not to judge people based on their Looks (don't fat shame me!) or their sexual preferences (Don't Slut shame me!) or any N number of cause celebre issues are also very quick to ridicule someone because they might have a Medical condition.

I'm bemused and amused that Trump wears nappies. Many people are. It is human nature. Especially when the victim of bemusement in this case is such a public bully.
Trump is a pugnacious piece of shit that ultimately is the author of the ridicule he attracts.

Now it is time to really drop a clanger.
With all these investigations into Trump, if they cannot pin anything on him despite having cretins like his ex lawyer cohen dishing the dirt - then I'm seriously wondering if he is as crooked as they say he is. With the knowledge cohen has, they should of been able to dig up the bodies right away, and lots of them.
However, I still feel he should be thrown in jail for killing thousands with his virus lies alone. But I would upgrade him from I would not piss on him if he was on fire to I would piss on him, just not necessarily the parts of him that are on fire. Having said all that, I also wonder if the real powers that be do have all the evidence they need, but are hesitant to seriously punish him as that would require them to acknowledge that their system is hopelessly corrupt beyond repair. Which if course it is, because both sides are hopelessly compromised and corrupt to their very core.

You are so obsessed with commies taking over the us, but the real danger is another certain country is on what I consider to be a near unstoppable roll. On it's current trajectory, the US will not be a super power at all within a decade, and the "other country" will be in control. That scares me. The "other" country is supposed to be communist, but from what I can make out - is capitalist with a dictatorship at the top. America is fucked, I wish it wasn't I sincerely do - but it is.

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Your premise of comparison is complete fuckwitty.

That is an understatement. Not only was the comment you replied to completely stupid there is nowhere outside the KKK or similar groups that remark would be considered anything but completely offensive.

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That is an understatement. Not only was the comment you replied to completely stupid there is nowhere outside the KKK or similar groups that remark would be considered anything but completely offensive.

He does get carried away somewhat

Love the news below - end of video "It does appear Trump is being squeezed". Lets hope his elastic on those nappies is the bestest elastic in the World

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That is an understatement. Not only was the comment you replied to completely stupid there is nowhere outside the KKK or similar groups that remark would be considered anything but completely offensive.

The greatest offence is yet to come once the commies finish their takeover and suspend elections.... cause they so superior we don’t need personal choice anymore. And no elections will save money and carbon emissions and allow the govt time to make more laws and restrictions. Exhausted from your angst powering the machine you’ll forget the freedom s we once had and enjoy the new universal slavery for all. There shall be no more rewards as with no choice but to comply no incentive is needed...

In all Trumps remarks about illegals it’s quite clear he his talking about the criminal element of some. I wonder if we had Chinese boat people landing here at same rate as Mexicans would people still say let them all in...

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"you would be in jail" vs "if you were my wife I'd drink it" are not even in the same universe of wit level. You love to give Trump a good back rub at any given opportunity huh

Well, I laughed heartily at both. I'll grant you not the same league, but I won't agree to not the same universe.

As mentioned, Trump is for trump. Policy was dictated on how he feels that day and implemented by tweet. You cling onto that manifest of policies you outlined a while back like Trump actually took it seriously I would be surprised if he even read it.

Given what Trump forwent to become the PoTUS, I don't think the claim Trump is for Trump can be argued. Even if I accept your next statement that he made policy based on a Gut-Feel - Is that necessarily a bad thing? I know many people who make good, virtuous decisions on various matters - all from their Gut instinct (and some of those don't have the necessary smarts to go through a period of deep introspection to understand WHY they did it).

Does not stop you from fighting tooth and nail to make out it was all Trump though eh

It's one area where we have some very definitive data that Trump did what he set out to do, It's also one area where we see the most amount of Apologia 'Inherited from Obama' - which is the part that I enjoy fighting on because it shows a level of disconnect.

The coffin was lowered on Repulican decency from 2016.
Loved Seymour in dancing with the stars! As a pollie, he is principled to his own beliefs, which by pollie standards is an achievement.

TBH American Politics has always had far less decorum than say the UK - Certainly Trump's brash and brusque style was in contrast to the likes of Bush (although I'd prefer dropping one-liners than dropping bombs), but likewise the Media demonization of Trump is equally to blame for the 'lowering of standards'

One was a "mark" on a race, the other was protection in a pandemic. Your premise of comparison is complete fuckwitty.

There's a reason I chose that as a comparison. You rightly point out that they are worlds apart - but you do so only because of what happened after the badges were introduced.

Wearing a mask became (to certain groups) a symbol of Virtue and Piety "Look at how good we are for always wearing our Mask"
Whereas for others it became a point of rebellion "The Government cannot dictate to me what I should wear to enjoy my God-Given/Natural Rights"

In either case however, just like a certain star it became a way to separate the 'good' people with the 'bad' people.

This premise is to far outside of the situation being discussed. Trump aimed to rip off his supporters and did so. End of.

The last past is an assertion - one which you've made based on 2 bits of evidence: Automatic repeat billing and Multiple billing - Both of which have far less nefarious explanations.

Totally fair, you know what a mountain to climb producing a valid alternative to Twitter and fb would be. Trump does not have the tenacity or brains trust on hand to carry it out. Still born at best, HIGHLY unlikely to ever be released the likely outcome. Keep playing with the unicorns and fairies if you please.

There's really only 2 points to make here - the first is I remember when Yahoo and MySpace where the be-all and end-all of the internet

The second is the point out that people were saying the same thing about Trump in around 2015.... and look how that turned out...

None, so 1 vs 0. Not much to get excited about there.

Allow me for a moment to completely abuse statistics and sample sizes and say "100% support and approval for Trump" based on your data

Yet when I asked you for quotes from any of the "squad" stating they hated America - crickets!

If you want a statement of 'I hate America' then sure, I can't produce that.

I can however produce multiple statements supporting causes that are fundamentally opposed to everything that America represents.

marxist, marxist, commie, commie, commie. Give me a break. Sure a dem or two may admire some marxist ideals. But turning the US into a marxist regime. Gimee a break., Go spent time in the US. Your so paranoid it is laughable.

It's not Paranoia.

Let me first agree with part of the statement - The average US Citizen doesn't want Marxism, Socialism or any form of Communism. A while ago Husa posted the meme that showed the county breakdown of voting preferences of Trump vs Biden - and you'll note that most of the counties voted for Trump but the most populace areas voting for Biden.

It's not just 'a dem or two' it's the Academic establishment (The Universities), it's the Activist organizations (BLM, Antifa).

If you look back 10-20 years ago when some of the more radical intersectionality stuff was starting to be disseminated into mainstream university courses - the idea then was that this was just silly nonsense that would stay in the University. The problem was that those people went out and got jobs and after working for that time period have gotten into positions with enough authority to influence senior management AND the people that report to them.

Let's put it another way - Go back 5 years (so before Trump) and ask yourself this - if I had said - 5 years ago - that a group of Communist activists would take over a part of a City, declare it seceded from the US - you'd have laughed at me harder than you laugh now.

If I further then said that not only would it happen, but that the authorities would allow it to continue to exist, instead of sending in the Police or even the NG to restore order - you'd have probably fallen on the floor in hysterics

If I then further said that this would happen despite multiple murders in that seceded area - you'd probably die from Laughing.

And yet it did happen.

There is a direct academic lineage from the French Communist philosophers of the 1960s who realised in 1970 that Communism was actually a really bad idea - so they did a little bait and switch - No longer the Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie, but now it's the Oppressed and the Oppressor. Same theory, same jealous malevolently murderous undertones - just a new coat of paint.

This was imported into the US via I believe Derrida as part of the Post-Modern movement, starting out as a form of literary critique. This way of thinking struck a cord with the other Marxist groups that existed on University (Such as the Feminist movement). From Post-Modernism, you get the notion of Oppressor and Oppressed (Blacks vs Whites or Men vs Women) and this lead to the development of Intersectional theory and Critical Race theory which started in the 1980s - and I'm not sure if you remember, but in the early 90s people were starting to complain about Political Correctness - then you had 2 things happen:

1: The internet - Suddenly there was something new for people to try and 'get rich' in, It's hard to convince someone they are oppressed when a new avenue of exploration just opens up and potentially anyone can make it big
2: September 11th - Nothing like a major terrorist attack to unite people against a common enemy.

But in the University, the courses in Critical theory, Feminism, Post-Modernism etc. (all with their Marxist influences and roots) were continuing to be taught. People were graduating and going out into the world with these ideas.

You started to see this in the Atheism vs Christianity debate in the mid 2000s - until the Schism of 'Elevator Gate' really started what has been termed 'The Culture War'.

When you see BLM holding up a Fist in protest or as their Emblem - that's Marxism.
When you hear someone talking about Equity, diversity and inclusivity - that's Marxism.
When you see these terms being propagated by Mainstream news outlets, Politicians, talking heads - that's Marxism.
When you see famous Movie, Video game or TV Franchised destroyed for the sake of 'Diversity' - that's Marxism.

At some point, you will realise that there has been a long and slow creep of these Marxist ideas into our culture. They are ideas that are diametrically opposed to the very way of life we have in the Anglo-West. They are European continental ideas that do not have any basis in the British Liberal Philosophical ideals that underpin NZ, Aus, UK, US etc.

That they are wrapped in such seemingly innocuous language that make the average person think 'well, that doesn't sound too bad' is what makes them even more insidious. When the Marxist activist says 'But surely, you want to see an Equal representation of Women, right?' it's very hard for the average person (who doesn't want to appear sexist) to say no.

When the correct response is "I don't care about equal representation, I only care to make sure the best and most suitable person is chosen".

Whether you believe it or not is up to you - however I'd say rather than take my word for it - go read the Academic literature on the subject - they are quite brazen and proud of their Marxist roots.

Or you can watch Yuri Bezmenov detail exactly how the USSR went about it's plans to infiltrate countries... in 1985 - then line-up what he says with what has been happening - it's borderline prophetic.

Or we can go all the way back to George Orwell who outlined the exact type of middle-class, university educated Socialists - and why such an idea appeals the Intellectual.

Yet when Trump says 'I like people who weren't captured' you strangely had nothing to say? Hypocrite.

It was a pretty Cunty thing to say, although if memory serves it was a direct jab at Senator McCain.

He still however has been a staunch supporter of the Military and the Military seem to be quite the supporters of Trump - so it can't have offended them that badly.

Unlikely it was strictly legal, entirely likely some officials were bribed. TDL "There are anomalies in the election and despite 50+ cases thrown out of court - the election was stolen!". Model who happens to be trumps then girlfriend now wife "somehow" gets a visa designed for ultra skilled experts in their field". All legit correct? Hypocrite.

Let me correct one part - I've never said it was Stolen, I've said I have doubts (which I consider reasonable) about the validity of the result - I've acknowledged that I cannot meet the burden of proof for a court that I can prove 'beyond all reasonable doubt' it was stolen.

Back to the Migration thing - if you are implying that she either bribed or flirted her way to Citizenship, I'm not going to entirely disagree with you - it's entirely possible, I mean you could argue she was ultra skilled in her field (even if I personally think that field is a farce, likely you feel much the same). The point is she still came through the front door with the correct paperwork.

So you are saying Trump was lying because he wanted to get closer to Germany? Wanted to distance himself from a mustache?

Wait, which way round did he say

Born in Germany, but said not born in Germany
or
Not born in Germany, but said born in Germany?

I took that as the first option?

Yet strangely you ignore all the other sides exact same behavior and lies. And you are right, I do not understand why the left make up lies about trump when there is such an unbelievably rich seam of lies that he has told!

You've almost arrived at the Ben Shapiro position on Trump.

Let me answer the accusation - if the media was honest in it's critiquing of Trump (and we both agree there is plenty to work with), then perhaps I'd be a little more strict on the other side.

The levels of lies and behavior though are IMO worlds apart at this point in time

I'm bemused and amused that Trump wears nappies. Many people are. It is human nature. Especially when the victim of bemusement in this case is such a public bully.
Trump is a pugnacious piece of shit that ultimately is the author of the ridicule he attracts.

Has anyone proved that he does or doesn't yet?

Now it is time to really drop a clanger.
With all these investigations into Trump, if they cannot pin anything on him despite having cretins like his ex lawyer cohen dishing the dirt - then I'm seriously wondering if he is as crooked as they say he is. With the knowledge cohen has, they should of been able to dig up the bodies right away, and lots of them.

Woah! You are literally inches away from arriving at my position.

If they still cannot pin anything on him and you accept that *maybe* he's not as bad as he was made out to be, then you might re-evaluate the optics by which you viewed his actions.

However, I still feel he should be thrown in jail for killing thousands with his virus lies alone. But I would upgrade him from I would not piss on him if he was on fire to I would piss on him, just not necessarily the parts of him that are on fire.

Well, babysteps in the right direction....

Having said all that, I also wonder if the real powers that be do have all the evidence they need, but are hesitant to seriously punish him as that would require them to acknowledge that their system is hopelessly corrupt beyond repair. Which if course it is, because both sides are hopelessly compromised and corrupt to their very core.

I'm not sure I would say corrupt beyond repair. There's always going to be corrupt actors in any system and every system will have inherent flaws. The fact that Trump got elected IMO is proof that the system isn't that corrupt (although I could be a real dick here and say 'well, if it's corrupt beyond repair, then that surely would include being able to rig an election') - Trump was very much so an anomoly, that no one in the various 'power structures' wanted.

You are so obsessed with commies taking over the us, but the real danger is another certain country is on what I consider to be a near unstoppable roll. On it's current trajectory, the US will not be a super power at all within a decade, and the "other country" will be in control. That scares me. The "other" country is supposed to be communist, but from what I can make out - is capitalist with a dictatorship at the top. America is fucked, I wish it wasn't I sincerely do - but it is.

Sure, China is a big problem. China is the logical result of Communism - a Fascist dictatorship (all the Fascists were former Marxists...) There may be a degree of 'free enterprise' - but with the CCP holding a controlling stake.

I'm not sure if you've seen the Memes recently - comparing the latest US Army recruitment Ads vs the Russian and the Chinese ones.

The US ones are dripping with all the Marxist pandering that I'm talking about (diversity, inclusion, equity blah blah blah) whereas both the Russian and Chinese ones are all Tough Men doing Tough Men things, saluting the flag in uniform and charging over the top in a hail of Gunfire.

For reference:



I mean, I don't speak Russian or Chinese - but Goddamn do both of those adverts get my blood pumping! and then we get to the US...

Does the US advert make you want to sign up to fight, kill and die for what you believe in? Does it extol the virtues and strength of the US? Does it give off the message 'We will do what is necessary to protect Freedom, no matter the cost?'

You are right in many ways, America is being Fucked...

but it's being Fucked from within.