Beehive occupation.

[TheDemonLord]

That's exactly the MO he operates under, only with endless multi quotes claiming victory.

As opposed to putting someone on Ignore, then endlessly posting false statements about them...

[mulletman]

If you look carefully ... you can see the numbers quoted in Pink (your favorite colour ??) is for ALL DHB's (reaching almost 700 deaths in 2018)... which as you can clearly see ... ARE DROPPING. And have been for the last four years.

The figures in Blue ... are the Southern DHB's ... which actually clearly show ... they have Consistently been considerably LOWER (Less than 100 deaths per year. ANY year) than NORTHERN areas.

OBVIOUSLY (as is clearly shown if you deduct the Southern death figures from that total)) ... the NORTHERN areas have a HIGHER suicide rate than the Southern areas.

The South is still a a great place to live.



A GREAT GRAPH. You backed up MY point well. WELL DONE.

THANK YOU ...

The graphs only tell part of the story in the article.....didnt back up your point from a few pages back where i saw your link.

Rates of Police call outs for Southern have gone UP 550.

Also the article says that the FULL IMPACTS of COVID on mental health were still to be see.

I do agree the South is a great place to live

[FJRider]

Except for the teensy tiny detail that when the laws were changed, attitudes were overwhelmingly against it.

Again, Appeal to principle won, not weight of numbers.

Again ... The "Minority" that caused the downfall of slavery and the legalization of Homosexuality ... was far greater than the NZ unvaxxed mob and their supporters will ever be. Anti slavery and Gay rights groups were/are world wide ... and still breeding.

And as YOU said ... WHEN THE LAWS WERE CHANGED ... Some laws and regulations still remain. SOME are not popular ... agreed.

With what I've seen of the Wellington mob ... any appeal to principals seems ironic.

I thought I posted that ... ?? ...

Everyone is capable of Suicide.... However, loosing a Business, Loosing Relationships, social isolation, stress....

Life can be tough. Get over it. Some just take/prefer the easy way out. Well for THEM anyway. The one's they leave behind I feel for.

Consider this though ... If you killed yourself ... just think how much less data would be required here on Kiwibiker ...

Just saying ...

Who, among you, is qualified to judge their level of Risk?
Who, among anyone, is qualified to judge YOUR level of Risk?

I'm ex military remember ... but that doesn't make me an expert at deciding the exact risk levels ... just trained to mitigate (does not always mean reducing, just dealing with it) risk where possible.

To that effect ...doing something ... is better than doing nothing. And getting the fuck out of your situation ... most certainly counts as doing something.

All of us, on the website, regularly take risks that most people see as unnecessary. And it's not like we don't have the Accident and Death rate to point to it being an objective risk.

Correct risk mitigation is required. Get it wrong ... the old "I never thought that would happen" scenario occurs. Or you might die.

Personal choice ... but I prefer to live.

'How many of that Motorcyclist mob have injured themselves there? And you claim they are qualified to judge risk... REALLY... ??'

Some "Fall Off" on a regular basis ... are they .. ??

Some NEVER do. Are they "QUALIFIED" ... or lucky .. ??

Same principle.

Famous last words ... "That's the way I always ride ... and the way I'll continue to ride until I die".

Principals ... nope.

It wasn't free from coercion, so it was not freedom.

I was talking about the actual protest on site. What were they coerced into doing .. ??

You mean like locking down an entire country, Savaging the economy? Stunting the next generations development?

But everybody ... ok most .. got to live.

As far as the economy goes ... the Government can still afford to pay all those on a Benefit.

I can still go to Cafe's and Restaurants .. stay in Motels ... life pretty much the same as it was.

Sounds like fun times.

It's been so long ... I forget which of us got tied up ...

They chose the winning side. Bit of a difference.

The Germans were on the losing side ... remember ..

Which world wide stations would you put in that list then?

I seldom listen to radio any more ... unless I'm driving. The South doesn't have many world wide stations that play music.

[FJRider]

Also the article says that the FULL IMPACTS of COVID on mental health were still to be see.

I do agree the South is a great place to live

If the Government really wanted to save lives ... they'd lower the National speed limit to 80 km/hr.




More lives would be saved than those that died of Covid and/or suicide each and every year.


Go figure.

[FJRider]

Personally - I know of several people whose mental health took a nose dive during lockdown.

Personally ... I know several people that got fatter during Lockdown. Is that similar .. ??

One started smoking again (despite not smoking for 10 years)
Another had a Daughter that had to spend time in a facility due to Lockdowns exacerbating her eating disorder (2 years without incident)
Another had issues because they couldn't visit their therapist for several months

Real world crises ... Auckland ... right .. ??

So, based on what I have directly observed due to Lockdowns - with people I personally know, yeah - I do believe that the suspected Suicide stats aren't telling the whole story and when we get the confirmed stats, we might get a different picture.

The numbers of listed suicide deaths are real. Some may be cases of accidental overdose ... or simply just an accident. If it cannot be confirmed as suicide (ie: no suicide note left) ... it can just then be regarded as an unconfirmed suicide. Especially if the person concerned has a record of poor mental health.

As such ... the figures will not change. The deaths though ... are DEFINITELY confirmed.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

As for the Government response - you'll forgive my cynicism of them towing the party line of 'No, there was nothing wrong or immoral with Lockdowns'

Nothing wrong with the protesting rabble in wellington claiming they haven't got covid either.

But the initial lockdown DID cause some of the lowest paid and the most ignored/despised workers in the ENTIRE country ... to be ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

And were then ... praised and applauded.





After lockdown ... not so much.




Go figure.

[Berries]

Exactly. His gutless quotes Have no credible sources. None of them.

Funny how he's gone quiet now he's been asked to be truthful.

Donald Trump was like that.. he promised he would supply his Tax returns.

And build his Border wall. Promised. Multiple times on both counts.

They never happened. I have no time for liars. And people who make statements but have no evidence to clarify and confirm them.

I don't do stupid.

Not wanting to defend him but you seem to have lost the plot over the last couple of weeks. See the post above yours? That was his like half an hour before yours so hardly gone quiet. If he promised to post his tax returns I will take it all back but pretty sure he would not have promised to build a border wall.

Not sure how you are linking him to the ferals in Wgtn either when he is clearly not there. You posted that your kid had a few issues at Uni due to the protesters. You should go down there and sought it out as you wont get any satisfaction ranting at people on KB.

[TheDemonLord]

Again ... The "Minority" that caused the downfall of slavery and the legalization of Homosexuality ... was far greater than the NZ unvaxxed mob and their supporters will ever be. Anti slavery and Gay rights groups were/are world wide ... and still breeding.

Only 10%, which is lower than the 30% support for ending Covid restrictions. And worldwide - tell me, which overseas protest did the NZ one mirror? I can point to protests all over the western world.

The difference here is between approved protests and unapproved protests.

I thought I posted that ... ?? ...

Bloody hell I'm getting sloppy! I thought I'd deleted that line - oh well, have a free one.

Life can be tough. Get over it. Some just take/prefer the easy way out. Well for THEM anyway. The one's they leave behind I feel for.

Consider this though ... If you killed yourself ... just think how much less data would be required here on Kiwibiker ...

Just saying ...

I dunno about you, but since certain infamous members got the banhammer, it has been a little bit duller round here. What would you do for entertainment when I'm gone?

And who would pay my taxes?

I'm ex military remember ... but that doesn't make me an expert at deciding the exact risk levels ... just trained to mitigate (does not always mean reducing, just dealing with it) risk where possible.

To that effect ...doing something ... is better than doing nothing. And getting the fuck out of your situation ... most certainly counts as doing something.

There's a difference between deciding exact risk levels and deciding YOUR risk level.

Correct risk mitigation is required. Get it wrong ... the old "I never thought that would happen" scenario occurs. Or you might die.

Personal choice ... but I prefer to live.

Right, ready for the big reveal?

If you get it wrong and you die, it was your fault. Full personal freedom and responsibility. This may seem Callous, but I'm okay with other people doing stupid things and dying of them.

I'm fine with the government providing advice and saying 'Hey, that thing? Yeah, don't do that, you might die'.

When the Government says 'We are worried you might die, we are going to take away your freedoms to make us feel better' - and especially when that comes at the cost of Bodily Autonomy - that can rightly Fuck off.

Some "Fall Off" on a regular basis ... are they .. ??

Some NEVER do. Are they "QUALIFIED" ... or lucky .. ??

It doesn't matter either way, all that matters is that they make the choice for themselves. Ride, don't ride. Vax, don't vax. Jump, don't jump. Not my decision, your decision.

Famous last words ... "That's the way I always ride ... and the way I'll continue to ride until I die".

Principals ... nope.

It's the same scenario.

I was talking about the actual protest on site. What were they coerced into doing .. ??

Are they free to use the services of any business in the area without having to show their papers? If the answer is that they aren't, then there is an element of Coercion to get them to be vaccinated.

In fact, I believe there's a sound bite of the Health Minister even admitting that the Vaccine Passport was primarily introduced to encourage vaccination.

But everybody ... ok most .. got to live.

As far as the economy goes ... the Government can still afford to pay all those on a Benefit.

Can it? It's saddled masses of Debt onto the future generation for ruining the Economy. It's not like they've used that money to build infrastructure or do something that will grow the economy.

As for most got to live - How much of that is due to Government policy vs NZ's unique set of characteristics.

I can still go to Cafe's and Restaurants .. stay in Motels ... life pretty much the same as it was.

Can you do it without showing your papers?
If your vaccine passport was revoked tomorrow (which it could be, despite you being vaccinated) would you still be able to do all of that?

It's been so long ... I forget which of us got tied up ...

Must not have been that memorable :P

The Germans were on the losing side ... remember ..

Exactly.

I seldom listen to radio any more ... unless I'm driving. The South doesn't have many world wide stations that play music.

Same.

[TheDemonLord]

Not wanting to defend him but you seem to have lost the plot over the last couple of weeks. See the post above yours? That was his like half an hour before yours so hardly gone quiet. If he promised to post his tax returns I will take it all back but pretty sure he would not have promised to build a border wall.

Not sure how you are linking him to the ferals in Wgtn either when he is clearly not there. You posted that your kid had a few issues at Uni due to the protesters. You should go down there and sought it out as you wont get any satisfaction ranting at people on KB.

Well, when I'm eventually elected grand Dictator of NZ, one of my first policies will be building a wall across the Tasman sea to keep Australians out.

It's either that we annex the Gold Coast.

Still working on the minutae of that Policy.

[TheDemonLord]

Personally ... I know several people that got fatter during Lockdown. Is that similar .. ??

Actually, very much similar - seeing as being overweight is one of the risk factors for Covid. One would think that any sane Government would want to encourage people to exercise.

Real world crises ... Auckland ... right .. ??

Not even close.

The numbers of listed suicide deaths are real. Some may be cases of accidental overdose ... or simply just an accident. If it cannot be confirmed as suicide (ie: no suicide note left) ... it can just then be regarded as an unconfirmed suicide. Especially if the person concerned has a record of poor mental health.

As such ... the figures will not change. The deaths though ... are DEFINITELY confirmed.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

This sounds awfully a lot like when Labour 'decreased' the number of people on the unemployment Benefit... by putting them onto the Sickness benefit...

AKA Fudging the numbers to achieve a political goal.

Nothing wrong with the protesting rabble in wellington claiming they haven't got covid either.

But the initial lockdown DID cause some of the lowest paid and the most ignored/despised workers in the ENTIRE country ... to be ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

And were then ... praised and applauded.

Ignored and Despised by whom? I always say 'Thank you' to the Rubbish collector. I'm always polite to Nurses.

But here's the Rub - we've got the Financial data, the Poor got a lot poorer an the Rich - well, I read that Netflix, Microsoft, Amazon etc. increased their profits by (in some cases) nearly 50%.

I mean, I gotta be careful here, lest someone confuse me for an old-school Socialist - but does that not seem wrong to you? That the Government mandates your business be shutdown to the point where you might go out of business, yet the billion dollar mega-corps are allowed to remain open and not only that, but due to the Government mandates, they get 50% richer?

After lockdown ... not so much.

Go figure.

Again, by Whom?

[FJRider]

Actually, very much similar - seeing as being overweight is one of the risk factors for Covid. One would think that any sane Government would want to encourage people to exercise.

I think I might have mentioned in a post some time ago about that ... Fat useless fucks will be more at risk from Covid.

Take care now ...

Not even close.

The comment was sarcasm ... so ... not close to Auckland then .. ??

This sounds awfully a lot like when Labour 'decreased' the number of people on the unemployment Benefit... by putting them onto the Sickness benefit...

AKA Fudging the numbers to achieve a political goal.

The Coroners Court is similar to the Law courts. With similar political "Advisement". But none of those being inquired about ... go to jail.

Ignored and Despised by whom? I always say 'Thank you' to the Rubbish collector. I'm always polite to Nurses.

I've always despised fat useless fucks ... but that's just me.

But the supermarket staff, Home help, Bus drivers ... etc were always treated like servants. Until Covid hit.

But here's the Rub - we've got the Financial data, the Poor got a lot poorer an the Rich - well, I read that Netflix, Microsoft, Amazon etc. increased their profits by (in some cases) nearly 50%.

And the poor got poorer staying at home on the computer ... giving money to the rich. And now ... ALL the fault of the rich (Apparently).

I mean, I gotta be careful here, lest someone confuse me for an old-school Socialist - but does that not seem wrong to you? That the Government mandates your business be shutdown to the point where you might go out of business, yet the billion dollar mega-corps are allowed to remain open and not only that, but due to the Government mandates, they get 50% richer?

Feel fee to leave the country anytime you like. SOON is good for me. I'd hate for you to help make the rich richer.

Also ... feel free to vote in the next election. Saturday 23 September 2023 is the estimated date. Keep the day free in your diary.

Again, by Whom?

The very same people ...

[mashman]

The graphs only tell part of the story in the article.....didnt back up your point from a few pages back where i saw your link.

Rates of Police call outs for Southern have gone UP 550.

Also the article says that the FULL IMPACTS of COVID on mental health were still to be see.

I do agree the South is a great place to live

Spoke to a few people on the mental health coalface recently. They are experiencing higher loads from all walks of life... but it's ok, once the economy is back up and running again, it'll all be fine and the middle class can go back to worrying about holiday destinations instead of lamenting the ability to not be able to go on holiday to help regain their sanity.

[FJRider]

... And worldwide - tell me, which overseas protest did the NZ one mirror? I can point to protests all over the western world.

Trumps ones come to mind.

The difference here is between approved protests and unapproved protests.

Is the rabble in Wellington an approved protest or not. And WHOM is in charge of giving the APPROVAL .. ??

Bloody hell I'm getting sloppy! I thought I'd deleted that line - oh well, have a free one.

A common issue with fat useless fucks. Try harder slim.

I dunno about you, but since certain infamous members got the banhammer, it has been a little bit duller round here. What would you do for entertainment when I'm gone?

There is this girl I know ... and I have rope ...

And who would pay my taxes?

Don't look at me ...

There's a difference between deciding exact risk levels and deciding YOUR risk level.

Easy choices usually ...

Go forward ... FAST ... shooting ... or ... fast ... BACK ... SHOOTING.

Or variations on the above. Usually dependent on numbers (Yours and theirs).

If you get it wrong and you die, it was your fault. Full personal freedom and responsibility. This may seem Callous, but I'm okay with other people doing stupid things and dying of them.

But the really stupid thing is ... people will NOT admit THEY did anything wrong. Say ... If they were following another vehicle too closely ... and it stops suddenly. Guess who they blame ... Themselves for following too closely .. ?? NOPE ... it's always the one in front that gets the flak.

ALWAYS ... somebody (ANYBODY) else at fault.

Funny that ...

If the TAB had bets on that rabble in Wellington catching Covid on site ... I would have put money on it ... that somebody would catch it there.

It would have cost me more in petrol money ... than I would have won though ... Go figure.

I'm fine with the government providing advice and saying 'Hey, that thing? Yeah, don't do that, you might die'.

NEWSFLASH ... it was not "ADVICE" ...

In any military ... getting sunburn is an offense. There are measures freely available to prevent it. Thusly ... if you get it ... you CAN be charged for getting sunburn.

Perhaps that rabble I mentioned above with Covid ... should also be charged ... because it WAS preventable.

When the Government says 'We are worried you might die, we are going to take away your freedoms to make us feel better' - and especially when that comes at the cost of Bodily Autonomy - that can rightly Fuck off.

In the terms of "Bodily Autonomy" ... you can either shove that up your ass ... or go fuck yourself.

In my opinion ... a personal choice in that regard ...

It doesn't matter either way, all that matters is that they make the choice for themselves. Ride, don't ride. Vax, don't vax. Jump, don't jump. Not my decision, your decision.

Personally (if it WAS my decision [and it is not MY decision]) .. after three crashes of them being at fault ... their drivers license should be revoked. They are a danger to themselves ... and everybody else on the road.

It's the same scenario.

As per above. But nothing to do with principals.

Are they free to use the services of any business in the area without having to show their papers? If the answer is that they aren't, then there is an element of Coercion to get them to be vaccinated.

As you will be aware ... some places do not check (Personal choices .. lawful or not). BUT ... funnily enough ... LAW and Legislation ... has ALWAYS had the element of coercion ... ie: fines/jail etc. What's different here ... ???

In fact, I believe there's a sound bite of the Health Minister even admitting that the Vaccine Passport was primarily introduced to encourage vaccination.

Newsflash ... OVER 90% vaccination rate.

I guess it WORKED.

Can it? It's saddled masses of Debt onto the future generation for ruining the Economy. It's not like they've used that money to build infrastructure or do something that will grow the economy.

Those on a Benefit will hope so. If they aren't dead with Covid.

Perhaps ... a Benefit cut is in order then.

As for most got to live - How much of that is due to Government policy vs NZ's unique set of characteristics.

Even by comparison with the Aussies ... just next door (so to speak) OUR covid related death rate is much lower ... just a coincidence ... Maybe ??

"Unique Characteristics" .. ?? sorry ... what do you mean by that .. ??

Can you do it without showing your papers?
If your vaccine passport was revoked tomorrow (which it could be, despite you being vaccinated) would you still be able to do all of that?

You have asked that before (you do repeat yourself a lot) .. and I answered. Stay off the drugs ... they play merry hell with your memory.

Must not have been that memorable :P

au contraire

Exactly.

It was in reply to your comment that ...

They chose the winning side. Bit of a difference.

Remember .. ?? feel free to check that out yourself.

[F5 Dave]

3 from there in hospital with C19.

I blame govt EMP weapons.

[jellywrestler]

3 from there in hospital with C19.

I blame govt EMP weapons.

three known, how many others are tightlipped or have had a bump on their head and simply don't know where they've been?

[neels]

Was very amused by the outraged reporting today that they'd build toilets, and were probably discharging straight into stormwater drains to the harbour.

Approximately 5 minutes of looking at google maps and welly council maps determined they're plugged into a sewer main manhole, so while maybe a bit wiffy with an open sewer vent right there, no threat to the environment.

Makes you wonder why those reporting couldn't do the same before they burst into print.