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Yes.... Because the history of the movement has...Originally Posted by FJRider
*drum roll*
Links to the various Socialist youth movements that were setup by the Kremlin, under the reign of Stalin.
As I've acknowledged, there were various movements prior to them - the ones that carried forward had their genesis as per the source you posted in 1923, in Moscow, yes? That was your source and I'm presuming that you believe your source to be correct, yes?
If so, then that means it was setup at the behest of the Communist party, in Moscow, in 1923.
Which means Stalin.
And as per the history, from a Marxist perspective, says that in the 1920s those youth movements became a Pawn of Stalin.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
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So it seems like Russia, whoops I meant New Zealand is concerned about Nato whoops I meant China bringing military influence into Ukraine, whoops I meant Solomon Islands....
Don’t “We Stand with Solomon Islands” for their free will of who they choose military alliance with???
The timing of this debacle is impeccable...,.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Smarty pants... since ages ago
Been a socialist movement. NOT a Communist one. Can you tell the difference between the two .. ??
More straws ...
YOU said in 1923. Yet Stalin (according to you) founded it earlier .. ??
More straws ... but learn to read.
You won't look as silly.
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Smarty pants... since ages ago
This was put up on on the 3rd of January, 2022.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...slands-support
They've been ... and are back.
Five defense personal and four Police personal remain there.
Check the start dates of the other event you mentioned.
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I’d love to know your definition of the two... because most people think they are the same. In fact the major proponents of socialism actually came up with the name due to Stalin and mao etc giving communism a bad name....Been a socialist movement. NOT a Communist one. Can you tell the difference between the two .. ??
More straws ...
YOU said in 1923. Yet Stalin (according to you) founded it earlier .. ??
More straws ... but learn to read.
You won't look as silly.
There’s was a great vid now unavailable that detailed the infection and subversion of western educational and political systems that commented that socialism was so unwanted that the only way to get people to want it was to destroy the existing system.
We struggle to get people to turn up for work now, how will you get people employed in difficult jobs if money has no value (everyone on same wage), no incentive for personal improvement...
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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One News TV1 23,667 Views (Officisl state sponsored media channel of New Zealand) posted 25th March 2022.... I think most people call that pretty recent news
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Yes, Socialism, as per Marx is the stepping stone to Communism.
Hence why the Communist party setup the International Union of Socialist Youth. And funded various Socialist activities all around the Globe (remember, McCarthy was proved right...)
No, I did not.
I acknowledged that in the source YOU posted that there was indeed a socialist youth that met in Germany, but I said that one didn't go anywhere and pointed to what you posted:
That is from Wikipedia/the IUSY website, yes? And you believe it to be correct, yes?
Good.
So there were movement(s) before 1923, which I've acknowledged. However the modern IUSY organization, and I quote, "came together in 1923 to reconstitute the Socialist Youth International."
Which means we have:
The Communist Party, in Moscow, forming an organization in 1923.
Who was the dictator of the Communist Party, in Moscow, in 1923? Stalin.
Therefore Stalin, leading the Communist Party, in Moscow, in 1923 formed the IUSY.
But further to that, we have the Marxists themselves, saying that the IUSY was a pawn used by Stalin in 1925.
The facts, by your own admission, are unequivocal.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Smarty pants... since ages ago
Socialism is a social theory … (sort of makes sense ... BUT) ... it theorizes that a collective cooperation of citizens will make all governmental institutions public. For example ... no one will receive a healthcare bill when going to the doctor because they and everyone else ... have paid a hefty amount in government taxes. That’s where the collective cooperation comes in. Note: Collective action occurs when a number of people work together to achieve some common objective. ... If taking part in a collective action is costly ... then people would sooner not have to take part. If they believe that the collective act will occur without their individual contributions ... then they may try to take the free ride.
The word collective being the key point.
Communism ... on the other hand is a branch of socialism. It’s similar in that it’s still founded on the idea of collective cooperation. BUT ... differs in that communists believe that cooperation should be run by a totalitarian government made up of one and only one government (At least we wouldn't have to worry about the Green Party.
Russia gave communism a bad name when it reigned as the USSR. It was here that thousands who were seen as threats to the state ie: artists- authors- intellectuals ... and even those who practiced religion ... were sent to be slaughtered (or exiled) … uh ... I guess you could call it socialism gone bad.
Although the USSR fell way back when ... Russia is still very communist culturally. Though economically they’re still a capitalistic system. Countries like the People’s Republic of China are certainly more communist than Russia ... where all things are nationalized up to the point that citizens can’t even make full use of the internet due to the government’s fear of free thought. So ... although communism is a form of socialism … it’s definitely the rotten egg of the two.
How are they different from democracy you might ask ... ???
Well ... Democracy is ... “A form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.”
The Greek demokratia is derived from demos, “common people,” and kratos, “strength.”
Basically in a democracy ... the head of state is usually a president/Prime Minister (etc) ... and the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote (which is then exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them). Capitalism is part of democracies (not communist or socialist countries). The community as a whole does not own all of the property and wealth in a democracy.
This explanation is pretty simplistic. But simple people will be able understand it.
And I'm not referring to you in that regard. But ... if you can't understand it .. PM me.
Changes may still come though.
As an end note to the above descriptions of the above political systems ... I personally am in favour of the system we now still use.
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
Smarty pants... since ages ago
When any have the inclination to report it ... POSTED reported date ... may not be the date it actually happened. Check the top of the posted item.
Actual date it happened is put there.
They went in January.
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It doesn’t matter when our police went. What matters is they hypocracy of crying about FREE nation deciding to accept military help from someone else while at same time saying Russia is not allowed to be upset about the FREE nations of Ukraine wanting to joun NATO
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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$35,000,000 for the second years worth of propoganda.... not bad I thought it would have been higher....
Meanwhile the cost of me reaching for mute button.... priceless lol for everything else like hookers, booze and takeaways there’s Mastercard
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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Ahhhh all govt institutions are by definition public services.... I think you meant to say you’d like themselves to all be totally free???? Which they wouldn’t as you’re paying excessive amount of taxes to effect that....
Could you imagine the tax bill if the following groups got a Xmas wish list fully funded operational budget and infrastructure;
Police
Fire
Ambo
Hospitals
DOC
Army
Airforce
Navy
Winz
HNZ
LTNZ
RAIL
Corrections
IRD
Treaty settlements office
MAF/MPI
Customs
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Smarty pants... since ages ago
To get back on topic ... Jacinda Adern was elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth.
It's Headquarters is in Amtshausgasse 4, 1050 Vienna, Austria.
It's formation was on the 24 August 1907.
On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization.
It was an International youth non-governmental organization.
For the purpose of being Purpose of being a World federation of socialist, social democratic and labour youth organization.
Actually I said it. I WAS correct as to the founding date though. I was just winding you up.
Oop's
WRONG again ... It was founded in Austria. It's a Republic. You're showing your ignorance ... AGAIN.
As for "Not going anywhere" ... The movement is STILL in existence. Again ... ask Jacinda for confirmation.
It's the SAME movement ... note my description above (NON governmental) ... ask Jacinda yourself if you don't believe me. But the information is there if you care to look.
ONE of TWO I posted ... but whose counting ...
This link is their own.
http://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/
Those are the details THEY chose to declare. If you wish to argue the point ... argue the point with them directly. THAT is the information THEY chose to promulgate ... so I take THEIR word as fact.
Your word ... not so much (as it's usually BULLSHIT ... but that is ... and always will be ... MY opinion of what YOU post).
You got a link for that .. ??
The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 [NOTE THE DATE] officially split the worker’s and youth movements into three camps ... the communist ... socialist ... and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations ... the socialists and social-democrats came together [as opposed to being PUT together] in 1923 to reconstitute the Socialist Youth International.
It's called re-forming ... renaming ... or whatever takes your fancy.
Whom was in charge in 1919 when they split into THREE organizations .. ?? in 1923 ... the only thing of note that happened was ... the socialists ... and the social-democrats came together. NOT ... PUT together. THEIR choice.
Got a link for that .. ??
If not ... it's just another one of your bullshit claims that Stalin had ANY part in the matter.
Got a link for that ... ?? ... And I've heard a few ridiculous claims from you.
Like when you claimed Austria was part of Germany.
Oh wait ... THAT was in the post I'm quoting ... NOW.
Look again ... but it's been a fucking long time since you posted facts.
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
Smarty pants... since ages ago
Military help from NZ Police .. ?? The Army personal were there for MILITARY help.
NZ POLICE were there to provide CIVIL help.
Perhaps ... if you were aware of the time frame actually involved ...
ALL THAT kicked off ... PRIOR to the Ukraine "Events" ..
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