Jacinda

[F5 Dave]

When I was really young (12) my first record I bought was double platinum by Kiss.
Later I liked the Sex Pistols and other punk bands. Then moved on to Iron Maiden etc.

I doubt I would be refered to these days by those social statements.

Before that all started we sung ABBA at school. I liked the blonde one.


But go for your life.

[husaberg]

$35,000,000 for the second years worth of propoganda.... not bad I thought it would have been higher....

Meanwhile the cost of me reaching for mute button.... priceless lol for everything else like hookers, booze and takeaways there’s Mastercard

Was that public health spending about a global pandemic too much for you?
Yet the similar amount of a Flag referendum okay and wise?
Is this the best trolls you can do, as =you are either low IQ or phoning it in (more likely this is your peak.)

It doesn’t matter when our police went. What matters is they hypocracy of crying about FREE nation deciding to accept military help from someone else while at same time saying Russia is not allowed to be upset about the FREE nations of Ukraine wanting to joun NATO

quote as even by you own low troll standards that's pretty thick, Even for Yokel or bozo

[FJRider]

Ahhhh all govt institutions are by definition public services....

They are.

I think you meant to say you’d like themselves to all be totally free???? Which they wouldn’t as you’re paying excessive amount of taxes to effect that....

Reality is .. Governmental Public services are free ... Generally. And ... if I meant to say it ... I would have.

What is excessive ... is a personal opinion that some may hold ... that the tax IS excessive

EVERYBODY holds an opinion on what BANG they should be getting from their BUCK. But they still expect anything from the Government to be free.


I bet ... Including you.

Could you imagine the tax bill if the following groups got a Xmas wish list fully funded operational budget and infrastructure;
Police
Fire
Ambo
Hospitals
DOC
Army
Airforce
Navy
Winz
HNZ
LTNZ
RAIL
Corrections
IRD
Treaty settlements office
MAF/MPI
Customs

Do the institutions you listed pay tax ... or ... do the individuals working for them pay tax .. ??

I paid Tax when I was in the Army.



Or ... do yo think Governmental staff should/do not pay tax ... ??

[FJRider]

... I liked the blonde one.

I have NEVER heard of ANYBODY that didn't ...

[pritch]

Before that all started we sung ABBA at school.

That's fucking child abuse.

[Berries]

WRONG again ... It was founded in Austria. It's a Republic. You're showing your ignorance ... AGAIN.

Do I win todays bingo prize? That sentence had three fonts, bold and all CAPS. Surely I win something for pointing out someone having a breakdown?

[FJRider]

Do I win todays bingo prize? That sentence had three fonts, bold and all CAPS. Surely I win something for pointing out someone having a breakdown?

All these buttons I just HAVE to play with. And I got a threat ... Great moderation I thought ....

You home yet .. ?? I'm off to the island tomorrow. Last ferry over and Water taxi to the Bay.

[TheDemonLord]

To get back on topic ... Jacinda Adern was elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth.

It's Headquarters is in Amtshausgasse 4, 1050 Vienna, Austria.

It's formation was on the 24 August 1907.

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization.

It was an International youth non-governmental organization.

For the purpose of being Purpose of being a World federation of socialist, social democratic and labour youth organization.

Which I acknowledged there was A Socialist Youth International that met before the modern organization was formed.

WRONG again ... It was founded in Austria. It's a Republic. You're showing your ignorance ... AGAIN.

Wait just one tickety boo minute... Didn't you literally just say:

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart

Oh dear.

Oh deary Me.

This is the problem when you are clearly quite tilted - you start making mistakes. The current organization has it's Headquarters in Austria.

But that is not the same what I said, which as you've just demonstrated was 100% correct.

As for "Not going anywhere" ... The movement is STILL in existence. Again ... ask Jacinda for confirmation.

It's the SAME movement ... note my description above (NON governmental) ... ask Jacinda yourself if you don't believe me. But the information is there if you care to look.

No, it isn't because that movement only met several times, it wasn't until Stalin reformed in from the Comintern youth wing in 1923 that it became the modern organization that it is today, as per their own documentation.

ONE of TWO I posted ... but whose counting ...

This link is their own.

http://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/

Those are the details THEY chose to declare. If you wish to argue the point ... argue the point with them directly. THAT is the information THEY chose to promulgate ... so I take THEIR word as fact.

Your word ... not so much (as it's usually BULLSHIT ... but that is ... and always will be ... MY opinion of what YOU post).

Yes, socialists lying to obscure the fact they are linked to murderous dictatorships is nothing new. The problem is they have to post some form of facts in there, otherwise people will correct them. So they post just the salient points - that the modern organization was created after changes to the youth wing of the Communist Internation (Comintern), in Moscow, in 1923.

The problem for you is, those details are all I need to definitively say that the modern organization is a product of Stalin.

ONE You got a link for that .. ??

No, but you do.

In fact...

"ONE of TWO I posted ... but whose counting"

Oof

The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 [NOTE THE DATE] officially split the worker’s and youth movements into three camps ... the communist ... socialist ... and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations ... the socialists and social-democrats came together [as opposed to being PUT together] in 1923 to reconstitute the Socialist Youth International.

It's called re-forming ... renaming ... or whatever takes your fancy.

So.... Hang on... You're saying that the original Socialist youth that was formed In Germany stopped, then there was the Comintern in 1919, which subsequently was re-formed/reorganized to create the modern institution of the IUSY, in Moscow, in 1923?!?

If only someone had already posted that... If only...

The feverish zealotry which you post the very things which prove my point is hilarious.

Whom was in charge in 1919 when they split into THREE organizations .. ?? in 1923 ... the only thing of note that happened was ... the socialists ... and the social-democrats came together. NOT ... PUT together. THEIR choice.

Lenin - and he was a murderous Bastard too, so it doesn't exactly make the case any better.

And I love that you think there was any form of Free will under Stalin in the 1920s....

Got a link for that .. ??

If not ... it's just another one of your bullshit claims that Stalin had ANY part in the matter.

Well, he was the dictator of the Communist party in 1923. A rather absolutist Dictator...

Got a link for that ... ?? ... And I've heard a few ridiculous claims from you.

Like when you claimed Austria was part of Germany.

Oh wait ... THAT was in the post I'm quoting ... NOW.

I've already posted the link for that.

But tell me - has Stuttgart ever been in Austria? And do you know the difference between 'Current Headquarters' and 'initially formed'?

Actually, don't worry about that last one - you've demonstrated you clearly don't

Look again ... but it's been a fucking long time since you posted facts.

Perhaps you should look again - you are clearly quite triggered to the point you can't tell the difference between Germany and Austria and the information in the very sources you cite.

[Berries]

You home yet .. ?? I'm off to the island tomorrow. Last ferry over and Water taxi to the Bay.

Came off yesterday to give my liver a break for a few days.

[FJRider]

Which I acknowledged there was A Socialist Youth International that met before the modern organization was formed.

I see you have trouble with the English language. The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 [NOTE THE DATE] officially split the worker’s and youth movements into three camps ... the communist ... socialist ... and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations ... the socialists and social-democrats came together in 1923 to reconstitute [restore to its original state] the Socialist Youth International.

Wait just one tickety boo minute... Didn't you literally just say:

Yep I got that bit wrong. Bugger eh .. !!

No, it isn't because that movement only met several times, it wasn't until Stalin reformed in from the Comintern youth wing in 1923 that it became the modern organization that it is today, as per their own documentation.

The only thing that happened in 1923 was the socialists and the social democrats got together officially. As an International youth non-governmental organization.

Yet ... you claim Stalin was involved in it's organization.

There is no record (or cause to believe as above) that Stalin had anything to do with it.

Yes, socialists lying to obscure the fact they are linked to murderous dictatorships is nothing new. The problem is they have to post some form of facts in there, otherwise people will correct them. So they post just the salient points - that the modern organization was created after changes to the youth wing of the Communist Internation (Comintern), in Moscow, in 1923.

Which means ... even if that was correct ... you still really have no proof anything you have claimed ... is correct.

Bugger eh ... !!

The problem for you is, those details are all I need to definitively say that the modern organization is a product of Stalin.

But no proof of anything of the sort. I however ... have the official records. And now YOU claim THEY are lying ... because you need to prove YOUR claims.

funny that ...

No, but you do.

In fact...

"ONE of TWO I posted ... but whose counting"

Oof

One as I recall ... was the Socialist youth movement of America. I pointed out your errors with that post too.

OOF ...

So.... Hang on... You're saying that the original Socialist youth that was formed In Germany stopped

Stopped .. ??? Where do you get that story from .. ??

Lenin - and he was a murderous Bastard too, so it doesn't exactly make the case any better.

And I love that you think there was any form of Free will under Stalin in the 1920s....

Aside from the point you think Lenin was involved too ... I would say there was enough "Free Will" to have a socialist youth movement meeting. The fact is ... it is on record that it happened. But you don't believe the official records ... because it doesn't agree with YOUR story.

Plus ... it is also on record as the socialist youth movement being ... an International youth non-governmental organization.

If you look ... you will see it on your link you posted.

Go figure ...

Well, he was the dictator of the Communist party in 1923. A rather absolutist Dictator...

BUT ... No records exist to substantiate your suggestion ... he (ALSO) was involved with the non-governmental youth socialist movement.

Do you know the name of the person running the New Zealand Socialist Youth movement .. ??? And what official position they hold .. ??

[TheDemonLord]

I see you have trouble with the English language.

I'd be really careful throwing that chestnut out after your confusion between founded and headquarters....

The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 [NOTE THE DATE] officially split the worker’s and youth movements into three camps ... the communist ... socialist ... and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations ... the socialists and social-democrats came together in 1923 to reconstitute [restore to its original state] the Socialist Youth International.

So, it's no lie then to say that the modern organization was formed in 1923, in Moscow. Not the various iterations that preceded it that weren't the IUSY and were changed.

Also - I'm glad you've very clearly acknowledges it's link to the Comintern, that'll come in real handy later...

The only thing that happened in 1923 was the socialists and the social democrats got together officially. As an International youth non-governmental organization.

Yet ... you claim Stalin was involved in it's organization.

There is no record (or cause to believe as above) that Stalin had anything to do with it.

Except that it was done at the time, place and directly under the government that he was the absolute dictator of and he subsequently used it as a political tool.

Which means ... even if that was correct ... you still really have no proof anything you have claimed ... is correct.

Well... we'lll see...

But no proof of anything of the sort. I however ... have the official records. And now YOU claim THEY are lying ... because you need to prove YOUR claims.

Just wait...

One as I recall ... was the Socialist youth movement of America. I pointed out your errors with that post too.

Yes, but they were talking about the IUSY AND the Socialist youth of America was also funded and founded by the Soviet Union (again, reminding everyone that McCarthy was right)

Stopped .. ??? Where do you get that story from .. ??

They had 4 meetings in a total of 10 years and there was a World War going on.

Aside from the point you think Lenin was involved too ... I would say there was enough "Free Will" to have a socialist youth movement meeting. The fact is ... it is on record that it happened. But you don't believe the official records ... because it doesn't agree with YOUR story.

Plus ... it is also on record as the socialist youth movement being ... an International youth non-governmental organization.

Okay then - Was Lenin involved? I want to first remind everyone of your explicit statement:

The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 [NOTE THE DATE]

Which you then go on to acknowledge eventually re-created the IUSY.

Who founded the Comintern?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International

Founder Vladimir Lenin

Oh.

Oh Dear.

Oh Deary Me.

That's rather inconvenient isn't it? Now let's dig deeper into this, shall we?

First up - is it Governmental or Non-Governmental? Well at it's founding:

headed by the Soviet Union

Another Oh Dear for you.

So, let's fold that back in to all the details you have so graciously and articulately pointed out:

We have in 1919 the Comintern, founded by Lenin, which was run by the Soviet Union. These are things for which we have explicit Proof. These are also things I stated outright. Again, just like Germany and Austria, I've been consistently correct on this point.

Then the Comintern decided (remembering, it's run by the Soviet Union) in 1923 (when Stalin was leading the Party because Lenin had a Stroke), to recreate the IUSY in it's modern format. This means that Stalin (who ran the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who in turn ran the Comintern who in turn created the modern iteration of the IUSY) was responsible (as the dictator of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who ran the Comintern who recreated the IUSY) for the modern organization.

It is therefore no lie of mine to say that Stalin founded it.

And for a laugh, to see how much the Socialists try to obscure who they are and what they believe - go to their website, search for 'Marx' - You'd expect hundreds or even thousands of results, right?

Not.
A.
Single.
One.

As I said - Communists lying and or trying to obscure things is nothing new.

Finally was it free will? It was run by the Soviet Union, I think it was free will in the sense of you free to stop clapping after Stalin's speech...

BUT ... No records exist to substantiate your suggestion ... he (ALSO) was involved with the non-governmental youth socialist movement.

As above - Game, Set and Match.

The only reason the IUSY is now a non-governmental organization is because of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, however I'm certain that should China release herself from her Communist Yolk, that we'll find (just like McCarthy and the fall of the iron curtain) that they've been receiving significant Aid and Instruction from various Communist governments.

Whether you would consider that to be 'Non-Governmental' is up to you, suffice to say, I don't.

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131199762]
I'm certain that should China release herself from her Communist Yolk, [quote]

I think you mean "yoke" (unless a reference to egg all over ones face - language, eh?)

[F5 Dave]

I see you have trouble with the English language. The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 [NOTE THE DATE] officially split the worker’s and youth movements into three camps ... the communist ... socialist ... and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations ... the socialists and social-democrats came together in 1923 to reconstitute [restore to its original state] the Socialist Youth International.



Yep I got that bit wrong. Bugger eh .. !!



The only thing that happened in 1923 was the socialists and the social democrats got together officially. As an International youth non-governmental organization.

Yet ... you claim Stalin was involved in it's organization.

There is no record (or cause to believe as above) that Stalin had anything to do with it.



Which means ... even if that was correct ... you still really have no proof anything you have claimed ... is correct.

Bugger eh ... !!



But no proof of anything of the sort. I however ... have the official records. And now YOU claim THEY are lying ... because you need to prove YOUR claims.

funny that ...



One as I recall ... was the Socialist youth movement of America. I pointed out your errors with that post too.

OOF ...



Stopped .. ??? Where do you get that story from .. ??



Aside from the point you think Lenin was involved too ... I would say there was enough "Free Will" to have a socialist youth movement meeting. The fact is ... it is on record that it happened. But you don't believe the official records ... because it doesn't agree with YOUR story.

Plus ... it is also on record as the socialist youth movement being ... an International youth non-governmental organization.

If you look ... you will see it on your link you posted.

Go figure ...



BUT ... No records exist to substantiate your suggestion ... he (ALSO) was involved with the non-governmental youth socialist movement.

Do you know the name of the person running the New Zealand Socialist Youth movement .. ??? And what official position they hold .. ??

You've gone all LifeOfBrian.

What if they were from the Popular Socialist Youth Front (of Judah)?

[Laava]

I mean, what have the Russians ever done for us?

[TheDemonLord]

I mean, what have the Russians ever done for us?

Apart from the roads, the sanitation, the Aqueduct, the...