Unmasking Elon Musk

**Laava** · 30th April 2023, 09:37

So anyway, I hooked up to Starlink yesterday, mainly because where we live is on copper line with no imminent plans for fibre, and the cellular broadband is a joke. It seemed to be totally prioritising Netflix at the expense of everything else.
So I signed up to Elons satellites, did the scan of the area with the app and bolted the aerial to the roof. Pretty easy really. It did strangely disconnect itself overnight and needed to be reset with login, password etc but the download speed is right up there around 150 Mbps vs Spark where it would often be under 1Mbps in peak times.

**Al Bundy 4eva!** · 30th April 2023, 11:36

Originally Posted by nerrrd

I think they’ve only got permission for a few launches a year at the current site, which wouldn’t work with the long term vision.

So they probably didn’t want to spend too much on it (there’s already another one under construction complete with tower at Cape Canavaral).

However having seen more close-up pics of the damage today…it’s a lot. One of the commentators was doubting they’ll be able to launch again there this year. There are a lot of holes in things.

Given how much debris was flying around, the rocket itself must be pretty robust to have flown for as long it did.

Starship pad damage is quite small and will be repaired quickly

vehicle structural margins appeared to be better than expected.

From a pad and rocket standpoint, they are probably ready to relaunch in 6-8 weeks

3 raptor engines, I call them cylinders didn't fire on lift off so this is fixable, they came pretty close to stage separation, all this data is just being released to space travel enthusiasts now

It's more likely than not that Starship should separate in the next launch then reach orbit in the next 12 months with another 6 launches scheduled

This is pretty amazing if they achieve this, something the size of the sky tower getting off the ground, separating , then carrying on to orbit, obviously the next stage will be landing the rocket, each step is progress to men returning to the moon and eventually setting up a colony on Mars

**Laava** · 30th April 2023, 12:27

So far it has cost $199 with a monthly running cost of $159. So it is expensive but we are in a rural location with few options. Some of which are more expensive for less product.
I would have preferred fibre but the only way that can happen is for all the residents to stump up for the cost of installing it and then hand it over to chorus. When we had enquiries, up our road, a lot of people expressing no interest in putting money in. Fair enough I guess but when the same people would have connected to fibre if it was there, it becomes a sort of Catch 22 situation.

**pete376403** · 30th April 2023, 16:56

Originally Posted by Al Bundy 4eva!

Starship pad damage is quite small and will be repaired quickly

Mmmm okay

https://news.yahoo.com/spacexs-stars...gASHKO1UtOfwJM

**onearmedbandit** · 30th April 2023, 17:40

Originally Posted by pete376403

Mmmm okay

https://news.yahoo.com/spacexs-stars...gASHKO1UtOfwJM

You already know what he will say about mainstream media. (and tbh I'm on his side, I don't place much faith in any media)

**Al Bundy 4eva!** · 30th April 2023, 17:46

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

You already know what he will say about mainstream media. (and tbh I'm on his side, I don't place much faith in any media)

You read my mind

**husaberg** · 30th April 2023, 18:27

Originally Posted by Al Bundy 4eva!

You read my mind

It a light read smaller than a brochure and contained no big words......

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

You already know what he will say about mainstream media. (and tbh I'm on his side, I don't place much faith in any media)

Out of interest Do you have more faith in the media than what musk says himself.
Being in mind he settled fraud changes with the SEC

SEC that Musk signed. He and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in civil fines over Musk’s tweets about having the “funding secured” to take Tesla private at $420 per share.

IME the mainstreem media have to pay up huge fines when they get it wrong much like Fox and lunatics like Jones

**onearmedbandit** · 30th April 2023, 19:22

Originally Posted by husaberg

Out of interest Do you have more faith in the media than what musk says himself.
Being in mind he settled fraud changes with the SEC

SEC that Musk signed. He and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in civil fines over Musk’s tweets about having the “funding secured” to take Tesla private at $420 per share.

IME the mainstreem media have to pay up huge fines when they get it wrong much like Fox and lunatics like Jones

No, I have approximately the same lack of faith in media as I do most people I don't personally know, including Musk. When I said I was 'on his side', I purely meant with respect to mainstream media. Th-th-th-th-that's all folks.

**nerrrd** · 30th April 2023, 20:03

Meanwhile in the real world...

The agency said in an email that a return to flight for the Starship Super Heavy will require the FAA to decide that “any system, process, or procedure related to the mishap does not affect public safety.” ... the explosion activated something called an “anomaly response plan,” which is part of a 2022 Programmatic Environmental Assessment completed by the company along with state and federal agencies, and that SpaceX has additional “environmental mitigations” they must complete before launching again. The plan “was triggered by debris entering adjacent properties,” the FAA noted.

After completing the list of tasks in the plan and mitigations SpaceX will need to ask the FAA to amend their launch license, to gain clearance for another test flight.

**Al Bundy 4eva!** · 30th April 2023, 20:41

Originally Posted by nerrrd

Meanwhile in the real world...

So what's your point, SpaceX has been constantly hindered by regulations, but they eventually meet the requirements

Should SpaceX just give up on progress like you give up on life?perhaps like your version of the real world

What you quoted was a week old manipulated mainstream media report, what I posted was released today,

**pete376403** · 30th April 2023, 22:57

Originally Posted by Al Bundy 4eva!

So what's your point, SpaceX has been constantly hindered by regulations, but they eventually meet the requirements

Should SpaceX just give up on progress like you give up on life?perhaps like your version of the real world

What you quoted was a week old manipulated mainstream media report, what I posted was released today,

released by who, though? Are the pictures manipulated, is the damage they show fake news (where have we heard that before?) I wonder about your version of the real world.

And by your own words, Spacex always has to meet the requirements of the regulations, so FAA always has the final word on whether Spacex can do anything.

Also -" Elon says 1-2 months. NASA's been told by SpaceX two months. It's a big ask, let's be fair, but what do you think?" Are you doubting the word of the messiah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evO4GedWfjs - first comment

**nerrrd** · 1st May 2023, 07:50

I hope you're right, but I think a 6-8 week timeline is unrealistic.

The damage to the pad is (visually at least) extensive, and may affect the foundations to the point that they need to be rebuilt (one of the horizontal concrete supports is no longer horizontal, for example, it's been tilted downwards towards the centre). If the OLM ring is intact, they may just be able to remove it, rebuild the concrete support, and put it back. I'm not sure how long that would take, maybe not too long, they've done it before. On the tower, they've at least been able to lower the chopsticks, so that may be a good sign that most of the damage there is cosmetic. Raising them again would confirm that.

But even once they get stage 0 back to where it was pre-launch, they then have to install and test whatever solution they put in place to stop the same thing happening next time (I believe there's a water cooled steel plate under construction so they're at least some way along already in that process).

And then, once that's done, they have to get the FAA to sign off on it all to issue a new launch licence – they're likely to pay closer attention this time.

But you're right, I don't know any of this for sure, most of the information I'm getting is from people on Youtube who love SpaceX and have been cheering Starship on ever since they started building it, and they have doubts. I'm sure SpaceX will get there, but not in 2 months.

Here's a good summary of the issues they're facing:

**mashman** · 1st May 2023, 13:25

Shame space construction ain't a thing or he could ship it up in 3 or 4 bits. Maybe he could fit the pieces with FSD and they can put themselves together.